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Registered: October 08, 2003
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Registered: April 24, 2003
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quote: I notice you constantly use the word "fetus" to describe the developing baby...only after 8 weeks is it a fetus. Some women may have abortions before then.
ok then we'll just use the term "developing baby" from now on.
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Registered: May 06, 2003
Posts: 958
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"Mental retarded, Amputees, handicaped, est." What you're talking about in this case is euthanasia, not abortion, and is a different topic.
"We can't just go around romoving people and saying it was just cleaning all the Dividing cells." Again, you'd be removing born people. That's euthanasia, not abortion.
"Do they have no say either?" Yes, they still have say.
"I assure you that a fetus is alive." I notice you constantly use the word "fetus" to describe the developing baby...only after 8 weeks is it a fetus. Some women may have abortions before then.
I'm going to resay what I said earlier. I don't want them to be able to say what or what I can't do with my body. An abortion is a MEDICAL procedure, and should be confidential between a woman and her doctor(s). Society should not make a law against medicine. As for those of you who do not think people should have an abortion, don't have one. You have the right to refuse any medical treatment you don't want.
I'm not gonna be around for about a week, I've a lot of music and science I need to catch up on. If you absolutely feel the need to continue this, email me at BurritoIzumi@msn.com.
-rito
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Registered: August 09, 2003
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quote: But I don't want them to be able to say what or what I can't do with my body.
I am sure the babys feel the same way about you and theirs. quote: no uterus, no say
Not everyone with a uterus can get pregnant. Do they have no say either? quote: removing of unwanted, dividing cells
Everyone is just 'Dividing cells'. We can't just go around romoving people and saying it was just cleaning all the Dividing cells. quote: These cells don't have the same rights as a living, breathing, fully functional and independent human being
Mental retarded, Amputees, handicaped, est. You have just denied to right to live to all these people because they are not, 'Fully functional' Hitlers term was, 'Undiserable' As for living and breathing, I assure you that a fetus is alive. It has a heart beat, a working brain, and a sense of awarenes, even danger..
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Registered: April 15, 2003
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I got your point. You entirely missed how poorly you phrased that statement.
And now for a serious response... though the child does contain their genetic material, they're not the ones who have to go through pregnancy. I don't think men have nearly as great a burden as women in pregnancy, so they should have less of a say. Even separate of that, why should the government have the right to dictate how couples make decisions? If it's truly a loving relationship, I think the couple should be able to come to a decision that both accept.
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Registered: May 06, 2003
Posts: 958
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Ok, maybe I shoulda said "no uterus, no say". They can have an opinion: that's fine with me. But I don't want them to be able to say what or what I can't do with my body. An abortion is a MEDICAL procedure, and should be confidential between a woman and her doctor(s). Society should not make a law against medicine. As for those of you who do not think people should have an abortion, don't have one. You have the right to refuse any medical treatment you don't want.
I don't see abortion as murder: and pretty much nothing is gonna change that. This argument is going nowhere: as are most things happening now. It (abortion) is the removing of unwanted, dividing cells. These cells don't have the same rights as a living, breathing, fully functional and independent human being, or so I believe. So uh. yeah. There are my thoughts. I think I'm gonna drop this...major headache. X.x;
-rito
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Registered: April 24, 2003
Posts: 2196
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quote: "No penalty for the Penis!" or "Stop penalizing my penile!" or “Close your orifices and I’ll close mine!”
haha...i thought that was quite good
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Registered: August 09, 2003
Posts: 1714
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quote: No uterus, no opinion, is all I have to say about men and the subject.
I was at a Youth Conference in Florida. While there I was in a Debate (Wasn't part of a team, just a thing they where doing) And the issue of abortion came up. Now the crowd was probably 2/3 girls, and as soon as I said "Abortion laws need reworking" a wave of girls just roared at me "MEN DON'T HAVE TO RIGHT TO TELL WOMEN WHAT TO DO WITH THEIR BODIES!" - "YOU DON'T HAVE BABIES! HOW DARE YOU!?" est.. Ever since I have been very shy to voice my opinion on abortion in public. All I have to say in response is that it takes sperm to make a baby. We can't carry babies ourselves. But we deserve the right to speak out on wither or not we want OUR children killed. I am going to start a campaign, "No penalty for the Penis!" or "Stop penalizing my penile!" or “Close your orifices and I’ll close mine!”
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Registered: April 24, 2003
Posts: 2196
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you entirely missed my point
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Registered: April 15, 2003
Posts: 1396
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quote: well penises helped create all these aborted babies
As far as I know penises aren't commonly used in abortions.
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Registered: April 24, 2003
Posts: 2196
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quote: I feel it's wrong that the president of the U.S.A is telling women what to do with their own bodies!
well jeez why dont we just ***** about president bush bc hes tryin to save the lives of innocent children! SHAME ON YOU MR. BUSH! quote: No uterus, no opinion, is all I have to say about men and the subject.
well penises helped create all these aborted babies so i dont see why men should have no voice on it.
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Registered: August 17, 2001
Posts: 6956
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Eh..
Pro-circumstance iz duh way 2-B.
Could you all understand that? Apparently English has gone out of style.
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Registered: November 06, 2003
Posts: 219
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No uterus, no opinion, rito? Why? What stops them from having the right to an opinion? Tell me, do you think men object to it for reasons other than because they think it's murder? If they think it is murder, why shouldn't they have an opinion? Are you saying, you can't force your opinions on a murderer, because you have no idea what it's like to be them? Again, the men who oppose it believe it is murder...put yourself in their shoes...would you want a form of murder to be legalized by the government? Do you see large numbers of men protesting adoption? Hmm, but large numbers do oppose abortion. It isn't a woman's choice if the issue is murder.
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Registered: October 05, 2002
Posts: 247
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If your against abortion and you get pregnant, don't have one. But if you do believe in abortion and you get pregnant and you don't want the baby, have one. It not that difficult to figure out people. If you are Pro-life don't put your views on somelse who doesn't agree with you. Cause personally, I can't tell anyone anything about what they should do with their life, because its not my life, therefore it is not my mine nor the federal govenments decision to decide what they should do with their bodies.
Unless you want to pay my bills, for my food, clothes, shelter, then you can make any decision you want for me, until then....
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Registered: November 01, 2003
Posts: 175
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I feel it's wrong that the president of the U.S.A is telling women what to do with their own bodies! I mean he is saying if the baby has a condition that could kill the women that she will just have to die! If I were the president i wouldn't let this law pass!
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Registered: May 06, 2003
Posts: 958
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"Hmm, maybe the reason some men oppose it is because they think it's murder." No uterus, no opinion, is all I have to say about men and the subject. "It is 100% NOT a woman's choice." And I think it IS 100% a woman's choice. http://scarleteen.com/politics/sarahjane.html-rito
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Registered: November 06, 2003
Posts: 219
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quote: It's a woman's choice people! The government shouldn't have the right to take so many things away from us. If you are against abortion fine, but really try getting in someone else’s shoes, of who would need or want an abortion.
I'm female, and I'm against abortion. What, do you think it's the evil men trying to take away more women's rights? Hmm, maybe the reason some men oppose it is because they think it's murder. It is 100% NOT a woman's choice. The issue here is not choice, it's an issue of whether it is murder or not. So, we shouldn't have a law against murder because it's the murderer's choice and we have no right to tell them what to do? People oppose it because they think it is morally wrong, not for whatever crazy feminist reason you think they do.
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Registered: March 29, 2003
Posts: 2615
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i feel that abortion should be banned as most times people make mistakes in their life and some innocent unborn is killed.. if abortion is legal then i think euthanisia is okay and so is committing suicide.. at least in the above 2 cases u don't take someones life its so totally upto u....
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Registered: August 09, 2003
Posts: 1714
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quote: The government shouldn't have the right to take so many things away from us.
Hypocrite. We should have the right to take life from other people simply because it is something we want? Only 6% of abortions are for health risk. Any other reason than healh risk, is selfish murder.
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Registered: July 14, 2003
Posts: 1668
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ho-ly crap! people need to check and see if there are any other threads about the same topic before they post! there are at least 3 other abortion threads. its not that hard.
please check before you post. thats all that im asking.
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