eating to control population is bull****. humans are overpopulating the earth and we breed most of the animals we eat.

i am a "normal consumer", but it's not like "might as well eat it" i am very aware of what i am eating. i AM thinking about the cow that gave me the beef and i am thankful for it. i dont eat much red meat for health reasons. i eat mostly poltry and fish for meat. i eat it because there are nutrients you get from meat that you can't get anywhere else without a diet suppliment. meat is the main food group (the pyramid has been flipped for those who dont know... so slow down on carbs) so i figure i best be getting my fair share.

i am not barbaric or inhumane... i am gainist and to me it is part of the food chain or the circle of life. any of you are welcome to chop me up into little bits and eat me if you can catch me... (just put all of me to good use, so if you dont like brain give it to science)

brings up a new issue. what do yall think of cannabalism?

-kim
ps yes i do think about what i am eating when i eat a hot dog. people don't enjoy it when i share my thoughts tho ahahahah

Yay! I'm kind of impressed that my board is still going on, since I made it such a long time ago! I just wanted to share that with y'all since I was happy.

I think vegan yogurt from "SILK" is the best becuz' it has 50% of calcium. Every Vegan should take advantage of this. swimem, were you getting your daily 45g of protein? this may also been why you had to revert back to an herbivore diet. the right amount of tofu, lentils, legumes could have easily cured your deficiency.

I did not eat any milk products and no meat other than chicken or fish for two years. It was a semi-vegetarian/vegan diet that I loved. Not only was I healthier (or so I thought) I felt good with my moral choices. The thing was though that I had some problems with my blood and my doctor told me that I had to eat at least one piece of red meat a week and 2 cups of diary a day or I would face serious consequences. I hated having to choose between my health or that of an animals but I chose my own. I think anyone's lifestyle is fine as long as it fits them and is healthy.

Vegan- Absolutely, how many billions of tons of fertilizer would be needed to support a completely vegan diet? Certainly something similar if not exceeding 19 billion. Think, grazing land is not fertilized. What happens when you convert? I work on a small farm for the summer, and from my experiance, we use about the equivilant of a 50lb. bag per 1/3 (or 1/4) acre per month of hte growing season. And we're light on the use when compared to average.

Dr, I agree that fertilizers do pollute. But how much ? I doubt if they pollute as much as 19 billion tons of pollutants per year.

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Environmentalists applaud the idea of a vegetarian diet, because of the enormous pollutants that factory farms produce in our water ways. Even the USDA has recognized factory farms as environmentally destructive.( though, they have done little to help)

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One little problem there. Modern farming in general is destructive in one way or another. Both chemical and organic fertilizers pollute much the same as animal waste. No environmentalist of any real merit would "applaud" a vegan system. Half-truths make great propaganda eh?

well i see the BS theory that if we didn't eat as much meat the extra grain could feed the world is still around.. you do know this is not true right? most of the grain fed to animals is not human grade and it is grown in soil that does not effeciantly support human grade crops.. so that argument is very untrue... also this statement:

"Liberalchic, It does not hurt cows if they re not milked, they just stop producing milk."

IS A LIE!!!! yes it does hurt cows that are not milked it can even cause desease.. as well as mastitis.. so get your facts straight, but i see it came from a gullable PETA follower so really what do you expect... also if you look at slaughter houst stats, the number of infractions compared to the number of houses and animals killed is VERY VERY LOW..

also as far as the eating meat can hurt your health stuff, well people with this view love to leave out important facts, like it is true if you are not eating a balanced diet, but then again it has been proven that to much soy can be dangerous to your health as well.. so i guess they pick and choose their facts..

the fact is.... either diet, if followed correctly, is VERY healthy...vegan being the exception naturally, vegans must have supplements in order to have a healthy diet..nothing wrong with veganism, that is just a fact...

another important note for the "i am vegan/vegetarian because it doesn't hurt animals"
people.. you do realise that your diet DOES cause death and suffering to millions upon millions of animals each year right? in their mind i guess it's well if i don't have it on my plate it doesn't happen... but the truth remains the same, milions of animals die for a vegetarian or vegan diet also..

Animals, the ones that billions of people consume every day at any given meal, are treated very badly. I have a lot to say about this, but instead I suggest you go to peta.com, then peta tv, then check out, "Meet Your Meat". Just a warning, it is pretty disturbing.

Elaborate on how factory farm animals are being treated humanely.

Your argument that if we let the animals "run free", then environmentalists will complain of overpopulation, and the degredation of ecosystems; is laughable. This is because as more people turn to a vegetarian diet, less animals will be bred for agriculture, thus farm animals' populations will gradually decrease. And the danger of overpopulation will be obliterated.

Environmentalists applaud the idea of a vegetarian diet, because of the enormous pollutants that factory farms produce in our water ways. Even the USDA has recognized factory farms as environmentally destructive.( though, they have done little to help)

i dont think people should eat animals. im a vegitarian, but i dont eat meat because it makes me nausous. the little animals innoy me. but my saying is to each his own. it dosent bother me that others eat meat. i dont think they should, but its their own choice, so im not gonna stop them.

Umm, I'm vegetarian but I'm not arguing that everyone should be vegetarian or we should 'let the animals be free' or something. I know that wouldn't work.

First and formost I don't like the concept of eating another animal's flesh. I like animals, pigs especially, and don't particularly want to bite into one. Secondly, I have no problem with the general idea of farming animals, but there is no doubt that there is a lot of cruelty in the farming industry - factory farming etc. and I think that needs to change. These animals are feeding us, goddammit, and we should at least give them a decent life before we kill and devour them.

So, those are my reasons for being a vegetarian, but I don't have any kind of vendetta against other people eating meat.

Bex

I have been a vegetarian for just about a year and I'm happy about it. I think that everyone should be allowed to choose what they want to have to eat without the rest of the world yelling at them for it. I live with 4 other members of my family and I'm the only one that doesn't eat meat. They understand that I won't go back to eating meat and I understand that they won't stop.

Being vegetarian, however, is an excellent thing. Even the U.S. government has recognized the benefits of not eating meat. And as for those people that say the animals that are slaughtered aren't mistreated...they're lying. The way these horrible people treat cows, chickens, and pigs disgusts me. I won't go into details because I'm sure no one wants to read that, but I really think people need to be informed before they can start to argue a point.

I eat meat, but I don't find it filling.

I'm not vegetarian myself, but Thom Yorke does it, so it's probably completely correct.

Wow, nice extremely lame argument, iluvjp.
I won't bother arguing over your silly fairy-tale views, but the second part is in no way true.

There were animals before humans started the whole assembly-line carnivorism thing. (Unless you believe that the Americas weren't created until Europeans discovered them.)
Other animals handle the over-population thing quite nicely.

"Jane, you ignorant ****."
-Saturday Night Life

my cousin is a vegitarian and i dunno how she does it!! how can someone not eat meat??!!

God gave us the animals for food and if we don't eat them, we will cause overpopulation.

Think about this will you... If we don’t eat meat the livestock live longer and thus need to be fed more. So nothing is really solved by not eating as much meat.

Let the livestock run free you say? Well then you have the environmentalists saying that they are killing endangered plants that deserve to live just as much as the animals who step/eat them.

How many of you are actually aware of the fact that even with all of the meat that we eat in the U.S. we still have more then enough to feed other countries? People are starving in other countries because their farmland isn’t as good, or their governments aren’t too nice. We still have a lot of homeless and starving people in the U.S. so lets just focus on what we want to do about them.

Realize though that the hand that will feed them will be the taxpayer. That is a lot to be asking of a country that is largely middle class. We can’t say that we will just give them the food and not raise taxes because how are the farmers going to make the money they need to live?

We should all just strip down and go back to the good old days of grunts and spears. That way everyone is incharge of their own food. And no one can blame anyone else for not being able to eat. Sound good?

Its not like we aren’t using the entire animal anyway. There are so many by-products we get from the livestock industry. Did you know the glue that holds the rubber soles to your shoes is made up of animal protein? Vegans just love it when I break that news to them.

No one is doing anything wrong by eating meat. And no one better start with the whole "Oh, the animals are being mistreated" crap. I could go on forever about that. Even veal-calves are treated very well.

I dunno... I am just getting all... blah about this. The feed I give my animals people cant eat anyway, so whatever. Do you even know what really is in livestock feed anyway? Cottonseed hulls are one of them. So just think the by-product of that shirt you are wearing fed the steak on your plate, or that hamburger from McDonalds...


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