I was looking on FOX News.com when I stumbled over this disturbing article with a strong view from Iran, from the view of its hardline president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Read the article then give me your views in such.
TEHRAN (AFP) - Iran's hardline President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said that if Germany and Austria feel responsible for massacring Jews during World War II, a state of Israel should be established on their soil.
Ahmadinejad, who sparked an international outcry in October when he said Israel "must be wiped off the map", also repeated his view Thursday that the Jewish state was a "tumour".
"Now that you believe the Jews were oppressed, why should the Palestinian Muslims have to pay the price?" the hardline president asked in an interview with Iran's Arabic-language satellite channel, Al-Alam.
"Why did you come to give a piece of Islamic land and the territory of the Palestinian people to them?
"You oppressed them, so give a part of Europe to the Zionist regime so they can establish any government they want. We would support it," he said, according to a transcript of his original Farsi-language comments given to AFP.
"So, Germany and Austria, come and give one, two or any number of your provinces to the Zionist regime so they can create a country there which all of Europe will support and the problem will be solved at its root," he said.
"Why do they insist on imposing themselves on other powers and creating a tumour so there is always tension and conflict?"
Al-Alam said Ahmadinejad was speaking in the holy city of Mecca in Saudi Arabia where he was attending a two-day meeting of the Organisation of the Islamic Conference that opened Wednesday.
"Is it not true that European countries insist that they committed a Jewish genocide? They say that Hitler burned millions of Jews in furnaces ... and exiled them," Ahmadinejad told Al-Alam.
"Then because the Jews have been oppressed during the Second World War, therefore they (the Europeans) have to support the occupying regime of Qods (Jerusalem). We do not accept this," he said.
He also noted that European countries "believe in this so much and are so determined that any researcher who denies it (the Holocaust) with historical evidence is dealt with in a most harsh way and sent to prison."
The Holocaust was Nazi Germany's systematic slaughter of an estimated six million Jews between 1933 and 1945, mainly in the latter years of World War II.
Official Iranian media frequently carry sympathetic interviews with Holocaust revisionist historians -- who attempt to establish that the number of Jews killed by the Nazis was wildly exaggerated.
Iran refuses to recognise Israel.
Ahmadinejad said his second proposal was for "a referendum in Palestine for all the original Palestinians" to decide on the future of what is now Israel, the Gaza Strip and West Bank.
But the president said that "the best solution is resistance so that the enemies of the Palestinians accept the reality and the right of the Palestinian people to have land."
Even though im jewish i believe he has a point. The Pelestinians had nothing to do with WWII so why should they pay. But at the same his comments about wanting the US and Israel to be reoved from the world map i completely irelevant. That is not the way a Presidetn or Head of State should behave in the XXI century
I'm not sure there "his" views so to speak at least not this extreme I think the guy is the puppet of the Mullahs, they are the ones telling him what to do and say, he has no real power he's just the public face of a corrupt goverment
"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done"."
No it was a mistranslation from a dialect of Arabic excuse me
on to our firend Ahmadi that the guy has balls is what makes me worry about him a little less he doesn't seem to really think with his brain it's the guys who can keep that in balance that you need to worry about. I also disagree on the honesty factor there all politicans lie like no other if they appear "honest" it's just a mask like an actor's
as to the best weapons we can offer, the Iraelis make some of the best military hardware on earth except for tanks and aircraft and artillery they don't use a lot of our gear and in the first war where the conqured Israel when the plaestinians tried to kill them all they used any weapon they could scrounge from WW1 rifles to stens (old WW2 brit submachine gun famous for jamming in the desert) so they don't need the hardware as much as you think those jews can kick ass no matter what they've got to fight with.
as to Israel being put where it was let's think about it shall we? what city did the jews found? jerusalem, what nations did they found way the hell long ago? Israel, who took it from them and the saracens(read arabs) they peacfully coexisted with? crusaders who gave it back? a crusader of another sort(churchhill)
If the arab community really wants some one to hate I reccomend those who set up Isreal again, the brits
"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done"."
Ahmadinejad should really not be in politics. I'm reading his speeches, I'm listening to him on TV and he's just not the kind of guy that should be representing a nation; hell, a culture. He should not be pissing the entire world off while working on developing nuclear energy. Even a toddler knows that when you want something you have to act like a little angel for a few minutes, you know?
That said, I think this guy has got balls. He says things that can only lead to trouble but at last he doesn't hide behind handshakes and false promises. He shouldn't be a politician because he's too honest. There's no doubt in my mind that every single Arab leader has a very negative outlook on Israel and the US, but only one moron is actually standing up and saying it to the world and, if he wasn't actually challenging the entire world to bomb the hell out of Iran, I'd say he had the right idea.
As for moving Israel to Europe... I love it, too bad it's never going to happen. They really should have thought of that before plonking it down in Palestine. But I still don't label Iran as the Middle East's most dangerous country, that's definitely Israel. Iran has planes missing parts and Israel has the best weapons the US can offer. And I dunno, I really get the feeling that Ahmadinejad's sort of bluffing. It's not like he actually has the power to 'take Israel off the map'.
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The funny thing about that is the 72 virgins bit is a mistranslation when the Koran was translated in to arabic the orgional text read something along the lines of "72 white raisisns"
Can I ask what that's a reference to? The Koran was originally in Arabic, btw.
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-----"""Yet another fulfillment of Bible prophecy."""---
Wtf? I doubt it. The Bible is so huge and nebulous that for anything that happens ever you can find a passage that in some way, seems to be referring to it.
-----"""But such would have never happened had the Arab world not attacked Israel right off the bat. Major oops right there, isn't it?"""---
No, just an expected conflict. What did they think would happen? Did they have the agreement and support of other peoples/nations? Did they make concessions and set up a government that included the peoples they took land from? AND this was during the time when countries all around the world were fighting to get independence from colonial powers, western powers, etc. I would have attacked a Western-imposed nation on my land. It was more like a major oops on the side of the Brits/West/Israel. Way to screw up the Holy Land by dumping your problems and guilt on it.
"To see the world in a grain of sand, and heaven in a wild flower. Hold infinity in the palm of your hand, and eternity in an hour..." -William Blake
The latest attacks from the Iranian President on the relocating Isreal:
TEHRAN, Iran - Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad escalated his anti-Israeli rhetoric Wednesday, calling the Holocaust a "myth" used by Europeans to create a Jewish state in the heart of the Islamic world.
"Today, they have created a myth in the name of Holocaust and consider it to be above God, religion and the prophets," Ahmadinejad told thousands of people in the southeastern city of Zahedan.
His remarks drew swift condemnation from Israel, Germany and the European Commission. Germany said the remarks would affect upcoming negotiations over Iran's nuclear program.
Ahmadinejad last week questioned whether the Nazi destruction of 6 million European Jews during World War II occurred and said Israel should be moved to Europe. He also provoked an international outcry in October when he called for Israel to be "wiped off the map."
But Wednesday was the first time he publicly denied the Holocaust. Touring southeast Iran, Ahmadinejad said that if Europeans insist the Holocaust happened, then they are responsible and should pay the price.
"If you committed this big crime, then why should the oppressed Palestinian nation pay the price?" Ahmadinejad asked rhetorically.
"This is our proposal: if you committed the crime, then give a part of your own land in Europe, the United States, Canada or Alaska to them so that the Jews can establish their country," he said, developing a theme he raised in Saudi Arabia last week.
German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier called the remarks "shocking and unacceptable." He said the German government had summoned the Iranian charge d'affaires to make "unmistakably clear" its displeasure.
"I cannot hide the fact that this weighs on bilateral relations and on the chances for the negotiation process, the so-called nuclear dossier," Steinmeier said, referring to European talks with Iran on its nuclear program.
Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Mark Regev said: "The repeated outrageous remarks of the Iranian president show clearly the mind-set of the ruling clique in Tehran and indicate clearly the extremist policy goals of the regime.
"The combination of fanatical ideology, a warped sense of reality and nuclear weapons is a combination that no one in the international community can accept," Regev added, referring to allegations that Iran is developing nuclear bombs.
In Brussels, Belgium, European Commission spokeswoman Emma Udwin said the president's comments were "completely unacceptable."
"We feel very strongly that Iran is damaging its own interests with these kind of remarks," she said.
Ahmadinejad said the West had harmed Muslims, invaded their countries and plundered their wealth.
"If your civilization consists of aggression, making oppressed people homeless, suffocating the voices of justice and bringing poverty to a majority of the world's people, we say loudly that we hate your hollow civilization," he said.
Ahmadinejad has been unapologetic about taking Iran on a more openly defiant course, insisting on Iran's right to develop its nuclear program — which it insists is peaceful — and often using rhetoric reminiscent of the 1980s heyday of the Islamic Revolution.
The president's views sharply conflict with those of predecessor Mohammad Khatami, a moderate who used to call for dialogue among civilizations and promoted a low-key understanding with the United States that stopped short of diplomatic relations.
Inside Iran, Ahmadinejad's remarks have been criticized by some of his conservative allies, who fear he is hurting the country's image. Moderate Iranians have called on the ruling Islamic establishment to rein in the president.
But Supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, who has the ultimate say, has backed Ahmadinejad's calls for Israel's elimination.
Ahmadinejad criticized the United States for refusing to sell Iran spare parts for its civilian planes as part of its long-standing embargo against the country.
Iran has suffered a series of plane accidents — most recently on Dec. 6, when an aging U.S.-made military transport plane crashed into a tall building in Tehran, killing 115 people. Iranian officials have blamed Washington for the crashes, saying they are partly caused by the difficulty in obtaining spare parts.
"No country is authorized to impose spare-part sanctions against another country. Nothing can justify this," Ahmadinejad said Wednesday.
Ahmadinejad said the denial of spare parts was a reason why Iran would not trust Western promises to give it nuclear fuel. The country is currently at loggerheads with the West over its insistence on enriching uranium to fuel its first nuclear reactor, which is due to start generating electricity next year.
The Europeans, with U.S. backing, do not trust Iran to have its own enrichment process since highly enriched uranium can be used for nuclear warheads. Europe has offered to sell enriched uranium for the reactor, but Iran has rejected this.
The United States is pushing to have Iran referred to the U.N. Security Council, where it could face sanctions for violating a nuclear arms control treaty.
Ahmadinejad said that if Iran gave in on the nuclear dispute, there was no guarantee the West might not refuse to sell nuclear fuel in the future.
"I assure you that we won't step back one inch from our nuclear rights," the president told the crowd, drawing chants of "Death to America!"
Iran is due to resume negotiations on the nuclear issue with envoys from Britain, France and Germany starting Dec. 21 in Vienna, Austria.
yeah we should give them credit for reporting only the negative crap coming out of Iraq barely anyone knows jack spit about the Iraqi military becoming larger and doing more work or the people who love us all over the new nation
by the way best intelligence source for enemys of the US CNN/FOX/MSNBC/ETC
"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done"."
"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done"."
That reminds me of a strategy we learnt about in our media course: the law of the truths: Half truth, limited truth, and truth out of context.All basically lies under pretty headings.
Okay, fine!!! Tell me what you think of me.... now ask me if I care...
misinformation is the greatest weapon of an underground cause
"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done"."
Originally posted by ampmaster: Fanactics are in every religion but most in america are just a giant pain in the ass unless you happen to b an abortion clinic.
No kidding.
I agree, clpo, it's very distubing to think that people out there actually believe killing people like that is the right thing to do. When I was in Egypt (last year?) the guy who ran the hotel we stayed in (a very cheap place but he was really nice, about 20 years old I'd say) asked us whether it was true that people in America worshiped the devil. And he really meant it, even after we said that devil worship was NOT a common thing you could tell he still thought that it was a common thing here.
"I know of no safe repository of the ultimate power of society but the people. And if we think them not enlightened enough, the remedy is not to take power from them, but to inform them by education." Thomas Jefferson
Fanactics are in every religion but most in america are just a giant pain in the ass unless you happen to b an abortion clinic.
"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done"."
The Lebanese were the first to use suicide bombers against Israel in the '80s when Isreal chased the PLO out of Lebanon and took up residence in their stead. The Lebanese couldn't fight, so they blew up Israelis, who, all things considered, deserved it.
It is kind of disturbing, however, to see how deeply many young Muslims are convinced that killing innocents in the name of Allah will get them into Heaven. It even says in the Qu'ran that 1) killing innocent women and children is wrong, and 2) killing yourself is wrong. Oh the irony.
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