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Registered: August 17, 2002
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I hear so many people talk about how they don't like bush, he's dumb, he's a republican and i'm a democrat so i don't like him. This is ridiculous. How do you think the people we are fighting with look upon this? They look at how some people in the US disgrace our leader and probably laugh. This whole situation is a VERY tough deal for him, he is human, and he is trying to do his best but he can't please everyone in the process, I think he has been doing a great job so far. I hope that people can put aside their political differences and such during this time.
Registered: December 04, 2002
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I don't think Bush is stupid. I think he has good intentions and as Ann Richards once said about his father, "He was born with a silver foot in his mouth." I would rather have a leader with good intentions but a big mouth than an admittedly well-educated but spineless sleaze-ball who disgraces the country with his every move.

But Bush and his politics aren't really the poin here. I think what's most important is addressing the assertion that we are unpatriotic if we don't fall into line behind our leaders. The right to vote in opposition is obviously the most powerful way of criticizing a leader you disagree with, and four-year terms guarantee that right. Someone said we don't have the right to criticize Bush because we don't know what he's going through. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard--we not only have the right to question our elected representatives, we have a moral obligation, a responsibility to this country.

Joey, you say that:
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In a democracy, the majority of people rule - so if the majority of Americans support Bush, any dissident against him and his administration would be "unpatriotic" or "too harsh."

But majority rule in our nation's context only means that the majority chooses the representatives, not that those in the minority have no right to publicly dissent. You also say that
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So let's remember - the freedom to say what you want, to gather in public, worship how you want...

...all of these are rights people are BORN with.


I agree that these should be rights that people are born with, but when it comes right down to it in the world we live in, doesn't it really depend on where you are born?

And redjill, just because you didn't vote for him doesn't mean that he isn't your president. You can't pick and choose when you want to be a member of this democracy...if you voted at all, you took part in the system and by extension take part in its outcome, whether you agree with it or not.

"Democracy isn't easy. It's gonna put up a fight." --The American President
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Registered: August 14, 2001
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Yet another example of how students are taught these days to be obedient little subjects instead of concerned citizens. It's truly sickening...

SweetLilMe, if no one criticizes the president, how is he supposed to know if he's doing a good job or not? How else is he supposed to know what the people want? Public criticism goes along with being the head of a representative government. Would you rather that people not be able to criticize their leaders? In countries like Iraq and North Korea, they can't. Think about that.
Registered: April 03, 2002
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You may not be a republican or democrat, but you are a 13 year old. It is the duty of the citizens to criticize and even replace leaders who are not doing what THEY believe is right, democracy was instituted in order for the PEOPLE to control the government, not the other way around.
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Registered: July 03, 2002
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Here's my point of view: Nobody's perfect, and nobody has any right to criticize anyone else unless they've been faced with teh same situation. Each and every person makes many, many mistakes in their lifetimes. Bush is not a physic, and is doing what he thinks is right.
P.S.No, I'm not a republican, I'm a democrat, but I'm just standing up for what I think is right.
Registered: January 12, 2003
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As long as Bush continues to institute policies that will serve only to endanger the economy (if they actually affect it at all), start wars with countries that he believes have weapons of mass destruction without providing a way to insure that they aren't launched, and asks stupid questions like "Is our children learning", I have no choice as a citizen (and a Democrat) to berate him until he shapes up or leaves office.
Registered: December 30, 2002
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Finally, Joey, I agree with you. smile

If people don't speak their minds about our government, then we are undermining everything our country stands for. If we don't speak out about things we disagree with, then: a) we aren't free, and b) nothing would ever be done about it.
Registered: March 04, 2002
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President Bush Comparisons

Click the link for a laugh (but you've probably already seen it.)
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In a democracy, the majority of people rule - so if the majority of Americans support Bush, any dissident against him and his administration would be "unpatriotic" or "too harsh."

However, if you were to do the opposite and praise Bush when the majority of Americans despise him (again, a democracy) then you would get labeled all sorts of things.


The freedom of speech guarantee is not a tenet of democracy, it is a facet of a republic - a republic is a government for the people, by the people and any attempts to silence someone's views no longer becomes freedom of speech.

Remember, democracy is where the majority rules, no matter what you claim is "right."

Bush isn't for a republic obviously; hardly anybody is.

But, I'll be the first to admit to my own mistakes, then lash out against one of the biggest traitors ever (Bush, Clinton, Bush, Jr.)...

So let's remember - the freedom to say what you want, to gather in public, worship how you want...

...all of these are rights people are BORN with.

Whoever tries to take them is trying to take your fundamental, unalienable right away.
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Registered: May 16, 2002
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I'm sorry, but this is such an extremist-Republican thing to say! That's the whole point of a Democracy--to be able to criticize our leadership--because in some places they can't do that! It's called freedom of speech. And Bush and Cheney need to stop saying it's unpatriotic to criticize them, because it's extremely patriotic to exercise our right for free speech and what we believe is right. They're the unpatriotic ones.
Registered: February 09, 2002
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jill-

A suggestion:

Try writing or calling your representative. They have less letters coming in, and are more willing to listen...

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Registered: February 09, 2002
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What is the point of a democracy if you cannot criticize the government? Well, then it really isnt a democracy. By shutting up the general opinion of both the minority AND the majority of the public, it becomes a monarchy or dictatorship in which the executive of the state decides what is best for the public...and in his own best interests.

Don't be ignorant.

Acer
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Registered: August 17, 2001
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Meh.

We have one president. Next four-year term rolls around, go vote for Gore or whoever the hell you think can waste out tax money the best way possible wink
Registered: November 10, 2002
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i agree with proteus except for the term idiot... i would rather have used: something a bit more positive
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Further proof that the president is an idiot... at least the majority had the good judgement to not vote for him (not that it mattered, though).
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Why the he11 should I respect asinine descisions and neo-fascist policy, just because a not quite majority chose him and the jingo rah rah squad supports him in our 1984-esque perpetual war ?
Oh, and as for quotes:
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1 - "There may be some tough times here in America. But this country has gone through tough times before, and we're going to do it again."

2 - "I promise you I will listen to what has been said here, even though I wasn't here."

3 - "I can assure you that, even though I won't be sitting through every single moment of the seminars, nor will the vice president, we will look at the summaries."

4 - "Tommy [Thompson, Health and Human Services secretary,] is a good listener, and he's a pretty good actor, too."

5 - "The trial lawyers are very politically powerful. … But here in Texas we took them on and got some good medical—medical malpractice.""I firmly believe the death tax is good for people from all walks of life all throughout our society." —Waco, Texas, Aug. 13, 2002

6 - "There was no malfeance involved. This was an honest disagreement about accounting procedures. ... There was no malfeance, no attempt to hide anything."—White House press conference, Washington, D.C., July 8, 2002

7 - "I also understand how tender the free enterprise system can be."—White House press conference, Washington, D.C., July 9, 2002

8 - "Over 75 percent of white Americans own their home, and less than 50 percent of Hispanos and African Americans don't own their home. And that's a gap, that's a homeownership gap. And we've got to do something about it."—Cleveland, Ohio, July 1, 2002

9 - "Whether you're here by birth, or whether you're in America by choice, you contribute to the vitality of our life. And for that, we are grateful."—Washington, D.C., May 17, 2002

10 - "I'd rather have them sacrificing on behalf of our nation than, you know, endless hours of testimony on congressional hill."—National Security Agency, Fort Meade, Maryland, June 4, 2002

11 - "We're working with Chancellor Schröder on what's called 10-plus-10-over-10: $10 billion from the U.S.,$10 billion from other members of the G7 over a 10-year period, to help Russia securitize the dismantling—the dismantled nuclear warheads."—Berlin, Germany, May 23, 2002

12 - "Do you have blacks, too?"—To Brazilian President Fernando Cardoso, Washington, D.C., Nov. 8, 2001

13 - "This is a nation that loves our freedom, loves our country."—Washington, D.C, May 17, 2002

14 - "The public education system in America is one of the most important foundations of our democracy. After all, it is where children from all over America learn to be responsible citizens, and learn to have the skills necessary to take advantage of our fantastic opportunistic society."—Santa Clara, Calif., May 1, 2002

15 - "After all, a week ago, there were—Yasser Arafat was boarded up in his building in Ramallah, a building full of, evidently, German peace protestors and all kinds of people. They're now out. He's now free to show leadership, to lead the world."—Washington, D.C., May 2, 2002 (Thanks to M. Bateman.)

16 - "This foreign policy stuff is a little frustrating."—as quoted by the New York Daily News, April 23, 2002

17 - "I want to thank the dozens of welfare to work stories, the actual examples of people who made the firm and solemn commitment to work hard to embetter themselves."—Washington, D.C., April 18, 2002 (Thanks to George Dupper.)

18 - "And so, in my State of the—my State of the Union—or state—my speech to the nation, whatever you want to call it, speech to the nation—I asked Americans to give 4,000 years—4,000 hours over the next—the rest of your life—of service to America. That's what I asked—4,000 hours." —Bridgeport, Conn., April 9, 2002

19 - "It would be a mistake for the United States Senate to allow any kind of human cloning to come out of that chamber."—Washington, D.C., April 10, 2002

20 - "For a century and a half now, America and Japan have formed one of the great and enduring alliances of modern times."—Tokyo, Japan, Feb. 18, 2002

21 - "We've tripled the amount of money—I believe it's from $50 million up to $195 million available."—Lima, Peru, March 23, 2002

22 - "We've got pockets of persistent poverty in our society, which I refuse to declare defeat—I mean, I refuse to allow them to continue on. And so one of the things that we're trying to do is to encourage a faith-based initiative to spread its wings all across America, to be able to capture this great compassionate spirit."—O'Fallon, Mo., Mar. 18, 2002

23 - "There's nothing more deep than recognizing Israel's right to exist. That's the most deep thought of all. ... I can't think of anything more deep than that right."—Washington, D.C., March 13, 2002


24 - "I understand that the unrest in the Middle East creates unrest throughout the region."—Washington, D.C., March 13, 2002

25 - "The suicide bombings have increased. There's too many of them."—Albuquerque, N.M., Aug. 15, 2001

"Brie and cheese."—Taunting a reporter who recently spent time on the West Coast, Crawford, Texas, Aug. 23, 2001

26 - "You'll hear people say it's racist to test. Folks, it's racist not to test. Because guess who gets shuffled through the system oftentimes? Children whose parents don't speak English as a first language, inner-city kids. It's so much easier to quit on somebody than to remediate."—Referring to his education bill, Independence, Mo., Aug. 21, 2001 (Thanks to Julie Reagan.)

27 - "One of the interesting initiatives we've taken in Washington, D.C., is we've got these vampire-busting devices. A vampire is a—a cell deal you can plug in the wall to charge your cell phone."—Denver, Aug. 14, 2001

28 - "There's a lot of people in the Middle East who are desirous to get into the Mitchell process. And—but first things first. The—these terrorist acts and, you know, the responses have got to end in order for us to get the framework—the groundwork—not framework, the groundwork to discuss a framework for peace, to lay the—all right."—Referring to former Sen. George Mitchell's report on Middle East peace, Crawford, Texas, Aug. 13, 2001 (Thanks to Michael Shively.)

29 - "My administration has been calling upon all the leaders in the—in the Middle East to do everything they can to stop the violence, to tell the different parties involved that peace will never happen."—Crawford, Texas, Aug, 13, 2001 (Thanks to Michael Shively.)

30 - "You saw the president yesterday. I thought he was very forward-leaning, as they say in diplomatic nuanced circles."—Referring to his meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin, Rome, July 23, 2001 (Thanks to Alex Hernandez.)

31 - ''I know what I believe. I will continue to articulate what I believe and what I believe—I believe what I believe is right."—Rome, July 22, 2001

32 - "I can't tell you what it's like to be in Europe, for example, to be talking about the greatness of America. But the true greatness of America are the people."—Visiting the Jefferson Memorial, Washington, D.C., July 2, 2001

33 - "Well, it's an unimaginable honor to be the president during the Fourth of July of this country. It means what these words say, for starters. The great inalienable rights of our country. We're blessed with such values in America. And I—it's—I'm a proud man to be the nation based upon such wonderful values."—Visiting the Jefferson Memorial, Washington, D.C., July 2, 2001

34 - "I want to thank you for coming to the White House to give me an opportunity to urge you to work with these five senators and three congressmen, to work hard to get this trade promotion authority moving. The power that be, well most of the power that be, sits right here."—Washington, D.C., June 18, 2001

35 - "We spent a lot of time talking about Africa, as we should. Africa is a nation that suffers from incredible disease."—Gothenburg, Sweden, June 14, 2001

36 - "I haven't had a chance to talk, but I'm confident we'll get a bill that I can live with if we don't."—Referring to the McCain-Kennedy patients' bill of rights, Brussels, Belgium, June 13, 2001

37 - "Can't living with the bill means it won't become law."—Referring to the McCain-Kennedy patients' bill of rights, Brussels, Belgium, June 13, 2001

38 - "Russia is no longer our enemy and therefore we shouldn't be locked into a Cold War mentality that says we keep the peace by blowing each other up. In my attitude, that's old, that's tired, that's stale."—Des Moines, Iowa, June 8, 2001

39 - "Anyway, I'm so thankful, and so gracious—I'm gracious that my brother Jeb is concerned about the hemisphere as well."—Miami, Fla., June 4, 2001

40 - "It's important for young men and women who look at the Nebraska champs to understand that quality of life is more than just blocking shots."—Remarks to the University of Nebraska women's volleyball team, the 2001 national champions, Washington, D.C., May 31, 2001

41 - "Our nation must come together to unite."—Tampa, Fla., June 4, 2001

42 - "So on behalf of a well-oiled unit of people who came together to serve something greater than themselves, congratulations."—Remarks to the University of Nebraska women's volleyball team, the 2001 national champions, Washington, D.C., May 31, 2001

43 - "If a person doesn't have the capacity that we all want that person to have, I suspect hope is in the far distant future, if at all."—Remarks to the Hispanic Scholarship Fund Institute, Washington, D.C., May 22, 2001

44 - "Thirdly, the explorationists are willing to only move equipment during the winter, which means they'll be on ice roads, and remove the equipment as the ice begins to melt, so that the fragile tundra is protected."—Conestoga, Pa., May 18, 2001

45 - "Presidents, whether things are good or bad, get the blame. I understand that."—Washington, D.C., May 11, 2001 (Thanks to Jay Schlossberg.)

46 - "For every fatal shooting, there were roughly three non-fatal shootings. And, folks, this is unacceptable in America. It's just unacceptable. And we're going to do something about it."—Philadelphia, May 14, 2001 (Thanks to John Brooks.)

47 - "There's no question that the minute I got elected, the storm clouds on the horizon were getting nearly directly overhead."—Washington, D.C., May 11, 2001

48 - "But I also made it clear to [Vladimir Putin] that it's important to think beyond the old days of when we had the concept that if we blew each other up, the world would be safe."—Washington, D.C., May 1, 2001 (Thanks to Gene Mosher.)

49 - "Whatever it took to help Taiwan defend theirself."—On how far we'd be willing to go to defend Taiwan, Good Morning America, April 25, 2001

50 - "First, we would not accept a treaty that would not have been ratified, nor a treaty that I thought made sense for the country."—On the Kyoto accord in an interview with the Washington Post, April 24, 2001

51 - "It's very important for folks to understand that when there's more trade, there's more commerce."—Quebec City, Canada, April 21, 2001

52 - "Neither in French nor in English nor in Mexican."—Declining to answer reporters' questions at the Summit of the Americas, Quebec City, Canada, April 21, 2001

53 - "We must have the attitude that every child in America—regardless of where they're raised or how they're born—can learn."—New Britain, Conn., April 18, 2001 (Thanks to Eric Beerbohm.)

54 - "It is time to set aside the old partisan bickering and finger-pointing and name-calling that comes from freeing parents to make different choices for their children."—Remarks on "parental empowerment in education," Washington, D.C., April 12, 2001 (Thanks to J.R. Taylor.)

55 - "I think we're making progress. We understand where the power of this country lay. It lays in the hearts and souls of Americans. It must lay in our pocketbooks. It lays in the willingness for people to work hard. But as importantly, it lays in the fact that we've got citizens from all walks of life, all political parties, that are willing to say, I want to love my neighbor. I want to make somebody's life just a little bit better."—Concord Middle School, Concord, N.C., April 11, 2001

56 - "This administration is doing everything we can to end the stalemate in an efficient way. We're making the right decisions to bring the solution to an end."—Washington, D.C., April 10, 2001

57 - "The Senate needs to leave enough money in the proposed budget to not only reduce all marginal rates, but to eliminate the death tax, so that people who build up assets are able to transfer them from one generation to the next, regardless of a person's race."—Washington, D.C., April 5, 2001

58 - "It would be helpful if we opened up ANWR (Arctic National Wildlife Refuge). I think it's a mistake not to. And I would urge you all to travel up there and take a look at it, and you can make the determination as to how beautiful that country is."—Press conference, Washington, D.C., March 29, 2001

59 - "I've coined new words, like, misunderstanding and Hispanically."—Radio-Television Correspondents Association dinner, Washington, D.C., March 29, 2001

60 - "And we need a full affront on an energy crisis that is real in California and looms for other parts of our country if we don't move quickly."—Press conference, Washington, D.C., March 29, 2001
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Registered: August 14, 2001
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He's not my president. I didn't vote for him. I wrote him many letters, and of course I was ignored (not expecting a long reply, just some kind of recognition). I do not like his decisions, I do not respect them, and I do not believe they are well-thought out. Bush is an overly emotional man who doesn't think before he speaks. He doesn't care much, if at all, for the world outside of the U.S., and he doesn't even bother to understand those whose culture and worldviews differ from his own.
And I resent people saying that any president is "our president" or "our leader." It sounds just so creepy...
Registered: November 06, 2002
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I understand and believe that people should be allowed to criticize the gov't. Yet, people also need to realize that he is OUR prez. Not the Republican prez and not the Democratic prez. He is OUR prez. Whether you like it or not you have to at least respect the fact that he is in the office and making the decisions. Some of those decisions you may disagree w/ but you have to respect the decisions.
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"I think if you know what you believe, it makes it a lot easier to answer questions. I can't answer your question"
--Reynoldsburg, Ohio, October 4, 2000

HA!

i was always fond of this one: "it's not pollution that's the problem; it's the impurities in the air and water." (something like that. not exact, i heard him say it once).
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Registered: April 14, 2002
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Uhh, yeah. He's dumb alright.

You're right, sillylady, the rest of the world IS laughing at you. We witness everyday the dumba$$ decisions he makes and the way he is successfully destroying all the decades of international relations built up by former administrations. He is alienating key former supporters and is also successful at making out the average American into some ill-informed backwoods bully. He's basically saying 'screw international agreements' by blasting ahead in his illegally-started wars and is now attempting to settle personal scores with Iraq because Saddam tried to kill his daddy. Being the president of the US is arguably one of the most powerful positions in the world, and you've elected a total choad who is burning bridges and alienating the American people in the eyes of the rest of the globe. I hope more and more people will begin to realize the serious longterm (if not fatal) damage your "leader" is creating. The American government is known far and wide as the biggest terrorist organization in the world. 9/11 was NO coincidence - it was specific retaliation for your government's history of killing thousands and thousands of innocent people around the world. With Bush in power, it's just a matter of time before MORE innocent Americans are killed. For what? The American government's fetish for cheap oil and abundant heroin supplies.

Bush Quotes::

"We ought to make the pie higher."
-South Carolina Republican Debate, Feb. 15, 2000

"There ought to limits to freedom"
--at a Press conference at the Texas State House, May 21, 1999, referring to http://www.GWBush.com

"I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully"
--Saginaw, Mich., Sept. 29, 2000

"It is clear our nation is reliant upon big foreign oil. More and more of our imports come from overseas."
--Beaverton, Ore., Sep. 25, 2000

"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier...just as long as I'm the dictator..."
--Washington, DC, Dec 18, 2000, during his first trip to Washington as President-Elect

"You teach a child to read and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test."
--February 21, 2001 - President Bush at Townsend Elementary School, touting his education reform plans.

"I think if you know what you believe, it makes it a lot easier to answer questions. I can't answer your question"
--Reynoldsburg, Ohio, October 4, 2000

"It's clearly a budget. It's got a lot of numbers in it."
- -Reuters, May 5, 2000

Aren't you proud of the guy who's representing you around the world? Bleh.
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