of course he is not. But, I believe that he is a man his world made him. THis whole jews/muslims/americans thing is totally messed up, and people really need to take a T.O. That part of the middle east is horrific. But the entire thing isn't like that.

I agree with the fact that the Israelis really shouldn't even be in that area of the Middle East. But, the main reasoning behind my posts AND SOURCES was to show that Arafat is not the saint that the world is making him out to be.

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Originally posted by mazar:
Provide a source for your (frankly, bull****) claim of Arafat killing millions of jewish people. That simply did not occur.

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There are hardly even millions of jewish people in the middle east. And the jews (no offense) should not even be there! They were deported to the British Colonies in the Middle east after WW II, and given muslim lands, (Isreal). The muslims were booted off, and now they are having revenge. Arafat was a brilliant leader, he was able to keep his nation from being swallowed up by Israel, a very real threat, with an armed and dangerous America on the prowl.

I never made anyother allusion to other leaders in the Middle East that were saints.

Here's my source:
Arafat had decided that the best way for Palestinians to gain control of Palestine was for them to fight and not rely on support from foreign Arab governments. In 1957 in Kuwait, Arafat with a group of refugees from Gaza helped found Fatah, an organization dedicated to the establishment of an independent Palestinian state in place of Israel. Fatah's first operation was an unsuccessful attempt to blow up an Israeli water pump station in 1965.

After the Six-Day War, Israel started an offensive against what they viewed as Palestinian terrorist organizations. Arafat is said to have escaped the Israeli attacks by crossing the River Jordan dressed as a woman carrying a baby, a story that enhanced his image as a man who could always manage a narrow escape.

Arafat relocated the PLO to Lebanon. Because of Lebanon's weak central government, the PLO was able to operate virtually as an independent state. Palestinian fighters mounted intermittent cross-border attacks against civilian and military targets in Israel from there;

In September 1972, Black September kidnapped 11 Israeli athletes at the Munich Olympic Games and eventually killed them all. The killings were internationally condemned and Arafat publicly "disassociated" himself and the PLO from such attacks.

The Fatah movement continued to launch attacks against Israeli civilians within the occupied territory of the West Bank and Gaza Strip; moreover, in the late 1970s numerous leftist Palestinian organizations appeared which carried out attacks against civilian targets both within Israel and outside of it.

The PLO played an important part in the Lebanese Civil War; some Lebanese Christians allege that Arafat and the PLO were responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of Lebanese citizens.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasser_Arafat

The article goes on and on. Yes, Arafat had some good ideas and actions in his fight for an Independent Palestinean State yet his other actions and commanding were questionable.

Arafat did not only kill Israelis, but also other civilians from other countries.

It is horrible that Palestine has lost a leader. It is sad that a man has died, yet we can not decorate him as some sort of saint.

The Chronicle had a column on Arafat where they made him out to be some sort of saint for peace. Yes, Arafat was trying to create a liberated and democratic Palestinean state, but we have to remember how he tried to do this. He killed millions of Israelis and condoned suicide bombings along with the help of Saddam Hussein. Yes, Saddam Hussein who payed off families of suicide bombers in the Middle East. Yes, Arafats death is somewhat sad at the fact that he was a major center piece of Palestinean culture, but we can not forget what he has done to the Israelis and in some cases(suicide bombers) his own people. I hope we can recognize this yet at the same time show some condolence to the Palestinean people.

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And why do you hate him for it? Nmae me one middle Eastern leader who's a saint. They will ALWAYS hate each other.

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Egypt's President Anwar Sadat wasn't bad at all and he got assasinated for it. His replacement, Mubarak, is definately no stand up character though.

Provide a source for your (frankly, bull****) claim of Arafat killing millions of jewish people. That simply did not occur.

And why do you hate him for it? Nmae me one middle Eastern leader who's a saint. They will ALWAYS hate each other.

Yeah, I've read some history books and I read the newspaper too. The fact is, Arafat has killed MILLIONS of Jews along with his own people.

How? well he along with Saddam Hussein(yes Saddam Hussein) have funded terrorist bombers throughout the Middle East. He has been shown telling his people to be violent to the Israelis as violence would be the only solution. Yes, his views were that of a true leader yet his actions were questionable.

*frowns* Nothing good, probably.

So what's in store for Palestine now?

You've made me laugh, thanks. Go read some history books.

Yasser Arafat was a murderer of his own people!

i cannot believe these terrorist sympahtizers!
he is nothing short of UBL!
he's comitted so much violence hate and evil it is amazing. Amazing listening to CNN and the rest of the world portray him as such a hero, and a fighter for peace! he is the instigator the mascot of Muslim hatred towards Jews. THe Jews who were so kind as to give them land after being turned away from every other nation in the world.
had it not been for him, none of these intifadas would be happening. no it is the greatest thing that this ******* died.
dont get me wrong they'll elect some guy thats even worse than Arafat.
before there is another leader, of the Plaestinians (Arabs) there will be several factions that will be vieing for power. hopefully they'll kill each other off befor ethey have another leader.

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WHAT? are you smoking crack ? That people believe israeli propagated smears of Arafat to the degree they think hes been responsible for hundreds, let alone MILLIONS is insane.

Arafat was dedicated to the concept of a free palestinain state, and at times endorsed violence appropriate to the atrocities being committed against the Palestininan people.

If you'd like to see a true butcher, look at Ariel Sharon's millitary record. Numerous charges of war crimes have been levied against him in connection with atrocious massacres such as that in Jenin.

I'm trying to decide whether you were born stupid or have what I call "chosen ignorance".

the ***bag is dead. im so glad!

Once again, we can not make Arafat out to be a saint. He killed millions of Jews and also funded suicide bombers. I don't think one could label him as a terrorist, but more of a...Hitler. He was definitley somewhat brillant and all of his actions kept in mind the well-being of Palestineans. But, his actions are questionable.

And Arafat died of, I believe it was a blood clot in his brain. And let's not forget how fast John Ritter passed.

I'm not sure whether Arafat was a terrorist or a freedom fighter,I guess he's a little bit of both.Sure he had many extreme acts in the early years,but he changed as time passed and at least,he almost reached peace with Rabin.

And I personally think Sharon is more of a terrorist.

I think it's a bit rich of Bush to say that he'll only support a movement towards a Palestinian state if they elect a new leader democratically.

Sure, in an ideal world, it would be nice. But you can't reason with thousands of people as if they are a wayward child. I don't see the Palestinians having democratic elections just because Bush said so, and if they do they'll choose someone anti-democratic anyway. Not that I can know that for sure, but it's how it's always been historically. In places where the people are not used to democracy, they don't trust it. I can only see them choosing somebody autocratic.

I think a Palestinian dictatorship next to an Israeli democracy would be far preferable to the current situation. To place new conditions on peace is ridiculous this late in the game.

I'm cynical, eh.

-Inky

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one less terrorist

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You know nothing about the situation.
"Only a fool talks of what he does not know."...*ahem* I don't think he was a freedom fighter or a terrorist. He was a world leader who was against our policies in Israel, for the most part, and so people in this nation tend not to like him.