Hey, I am a traditional Catholic, and I can tell you that none of our beliefs our pagan. It's all simple as that. The Virgin Mary is paryed to, and treated with love and respect, she is NEVER adored or put on the same footing as God. Neither is the Pope. And the priests are not another Christ in the sense that they are equal to God IN ANY WAY. However in the confessional and in Mass the REPRESENT Christ.
well if all you're trying to do i save us from eternal damnation, then thank you Joey. Most of us just don't want to be converted. We believe and have our own interpretations of the bible and jesus and religion in general. People have the choice to believe in what they want. That's why religion is such a contraversial topic, it isn't based on much evidence, just what people choose to believe. So if i stand before God and i say "I didn't know" and he presses the big red button on me, i will happily allow you to say "I told you so.
Okay, let me rephrase; not all Catholics - and this I can prove - molest little boys.
The regular, everyday people don't at least.
But you can better be sure the higher-ups do.
Anyway, I learned a nice little lesson yesterday about Judgement Day.
See, we're not only going to be judged for what we did and knew, but we're going to be judged for what we DIDN'T.
So if you get up there and say, "Well Lord, I didn't know the roots of Catholicism were saturated in paganism and I didn't know that prayer to Mary was actually worship."
Jesus will not take it; It's too late then. You're going straight to Hell, according to the Bible.
So remember that. I know I did.
It's not only what you do/will know, it's what you DIDN'T know, either.
Why do you think I'm telling people about this sorta stuff (the dark history/teachings of Catholicism)? I don't want anyone to have to appear before the Judge and say, "I didn't know."
Remember this, also: We're only given this one earthly life. Are you people really willing to go through life completely ignorant?
Or do you want to know the Truth?
Seek and ye shall find is what God said.
He also said that He is not the author of confusion.
Joey I was reading through some of your earlier posts and I came across a post that said doctrines for example: raping little boys. It does not mean that the whole entire Catholic faith is bad. Everyday people do that kind of stuff. What is the difference? I know that it is wrong but that does not mean that everyone that is Catholic will die and not go to Heaven because of what some people are doing. So I would appriciate it if you did not judge the whole entire Catholic faith just because a few people mad a few bad chooses in life. Everyone chooses bad things.
I have friends that are not Catholic and they arent dead. If the people that werent Catholics back then and died then how could there have been so many different religions or people that dont believe in GOD now? How can you explain that?
Maybe you two didn't see the person who wrote the statement originally:
quote: Pope Boniface VIII, 1302
The guy was a pope. The man who wrote a book exposing the Catholic Church is a former aide to the Pope!
How is THAT biased? You people are completely ridiculous.
Anyway, PowderPuff girl, I pray we'll see each other in Heaven too, but you can't expect to get there if you pray to saints, recite the Hail Mary and subscribe to any addition to the Holy Bible's 66 original books.
It's like saying gays will be able to go to heaven, when in fact, they wont - according to the Bible.
Aside: Christians originally set out to spread the Gospel after the Jews rejected the Coming/Sacrifice/Resurrection of the Messiah.
The Roman Empire was included in the "To-Do List" because, from reading up on history, the region was saturated with pagans and idol-worshippers.
When the first Christians brought the peace, love and Joy of Jesus, the Romans quickly gathered their ancient, false teachings/gods and incorporated them into "Catholicism."
Ever since, it's been a tool of Satan and during the Tribulation, according to many Bible scholars, the Papacy will be THE Great Whore of Revelation -- if you're not with them, you will be killed.
It's all throughout history, folks. You're either a Catholic, or you were painfully tortured and killed.
Umm... joey, dear... What are you exactly driving at?
I'm Catholic and I believe in Christ... Isn't our faith in CHRIST enough to make us CHRISTians?
By the way, religion can't save us, okay? So stop bugging Catholicism. It's our faith in Him and love for Him which will save us.
And about the 'antichrist" site... do you happen to have access to the developers of the site? If you do, please tell them to change the music... umm... I think it's out of tune
Gemini is right. You are getting this Anti-Catholic stuff off of the internet. You need a "first hand experience" You dont know what Cathiolics do or anything. You are just getting the version that you wnat to hear.
quote: "We declare, state and efeine that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of all human beings that they submit to the Roman Pontiff." -- Pope Boniface VIII, 1302
How is this relevant to your case?
You're just copying and pasting from that biased, anti-Catholic website. And you're unable to see the narrow-mindedness here. These sites are one sided, showing one perspective. That's biased, Joey.
quote: Pontifex Maximus: borrowed from the pagan religious leaders of Babylon
Want me to shut up? Get proof.
I wish people would figure out how to think for themselves instead of relying on religious BS.
This is actually getting burdensome to keep repeating, but I am going to give the notes I took of a couple of websites and books.
Gemini, you always refer to something I use as "biased," yet you never, ever once point out the obvious; as in...
"We declare, state and efeine that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of all human beings that they submit to the Roman Pontiff." -- Pope Boniface VIII, 1302
This was on that Antichrist slideshow; it was attributed to a Pope -- where, then, is the bias?
Pontifex Maximus: borrowed from the pagan religious leaders of Babylon
It's useless.
Absolutely useless.
I've stated the facts - if you people still think that Catholics and Christians are the same, fine.
All I can do is present the facts and hope the blind see.
As a former Catholic, I know a great deal about the Church, unlike you, considering all the information you get is from biased websites and things your happen to hear.
quote: Catholics do not worship Jesus; there is NOT a mediator between God and Man -- except for Jesus.
Catholicism was the first religion to ever worship Jesus. From Catholicism came Protestantism, which led to different divisions of Christianity such as Methodism, Lutheranism, Presbyterianism, etc. It all came from Catholicism - the -first- Christian religion.
Catholics pray to saints, such as the Virgin Mary, but they do NOT worship them. Prayer and worship are two completely different things. Your idealism of Christianity is dissimilar from many other Christians, and you really don't have the power and/or rights to advise people what parts of Christianity are erroneous. I believe that's "God's" profession.
quote: Mary is prayed to because Catholics consider her a "mediator."
Mary is prayed to because Catholics consider her the mother of their lord. They do not worship her, but they may pray to different saints because they bring certain individuals closer to God/Jesus.
quote: You cannot pray to saints and still be called Christian; it's impossible, because God said thou shalt have no other gods before me.
I don't see where you come up with this logic. Prayer and worship are not the same. One may pray to a saint, but they do not worship that saint.
quote: You cannot flock to the Pope and ask for forgiveness -- he's NOT - despite what the Papacy thinks - God!
The Pope doesn't grant forgiveness. He simply "asks God" for your forgiveness. The Pope is not considered to be God, but he is supposedly chosen by God to be a messenger to the people.
quote: I've never heard of any "good" in the Catholic church whatsoever.
So because you haven't done enough research and have limited yourself to biased views, what you believe -must- be true, eh? All religion, including Christianity, has been fabricated so people can have something to believe in when things aren't going well, to explain "miracles," and to give a false representation of hope.
quote: They have killed Christians in the past for not going along with their sick and pagan beliefs; and unfortunately, they will do it again.
Catholics are not pagans, Joey. And yes, Catholics did kill for their beliefs in your worthless god. But if you're a Christian, and you obviously are, then your religion is branched off of the beliefs that murder is alright as long as it is in the name of Christ. And please, save the pity and sensationalism for someone who will buy into your Christian propaganda.
Don’t try and convert people from Catholicism. It’s pointless. Just stay strong in your beliefs and when you die, you’ll figure out if you had lived your life full of lies.
BTW- that antichrist website is completely predisposed. But the music isn’t scary. The bass isn’t quite strong enough, and the tempo isn’t very consistent. That must be a sin! I damn you to Hell!
You don't know as much as you think concerning Catholicism and Catholic. We don't pray TO saints and angel, thats idolitry (duh!), we pray that they offer intercesion on are behalf to God, because we are still sinning on earth wile (presumably) there in eternal paradise and able to see God in all his glory.
Go get a Canon (Church teachings, not artillery)law book before you call us infedels!
okay, joey. goldenangel is being tricked into hell. That is your opinion. You may see catholicism one way but they see it another. Just let them be! Just because you think catholics are brain-washed little nimwits doesn't mean it is your job to convert them. Don't waste so much energy telling them they are stupid. If they did the same to you, you would be pissed.
And goldenangel, the reason i turned away from catholicism is first because basically i didn't want to be christian. I don't really believe that jesus was the son of god. it's not something that i directly had a problem with catholicism. I just didn't want to be christian and general. Now, my beliefs about God are really strong and i am really a true believer of God and really spiritual, only my beliefs are kind of complex so, it would take a while to explain.
quote:...but joey, why do you even care? Are you catholic?
This is like asking a Christian why do they even bother trying to save souls.
BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE BEING TRICKED INTO HELL
That's why I care, and no, I will not be a Catholic -- ever.
There is this thick cloud of deception that blankets this entire earth, and a majority of that deception lies at the footsteps of the Pope and of the Roman Catholic Church -- also referred to as the "Great Whore" in the Book of Revelation.
This isn't a very popular viewpoint to have, obviously, but Jesus help us all if you people think that "talking to a dead" person is not in any way Satanic!
It's absolutely terrifying to re-read these posts and see the complete brainwashed minds; fortunately for me, I was able to find Jesus after being brainwashed a bit myself.
It's almost a futile attempt to even tell this to people, because, well ...it's just like arguing with a brick wall.
But I pray SOMEONE will be changed for the positive. At least ONE person.
Documentation, photographs, history of the Roman Catholic Church:
"Christianity, as well as every other religion, worships gods/deities that aren't real." I'd take you up on that....although picking which of the 15 or so religious topics created in the last day to debate in would be tricky.
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