If Saddam had a nuclear he surley would have used against who invaded Iraq, costing thousands of Americans and Iraqies their lives. He also would have used as a strong arm against the rest of the arab world and Israel.

Once Iran gets their nuclear weapon, and the Aythola has control of it, they will use it to strong arm the entire region and it will make an invasion of their country almost impossible. This means the Aythola will be able to make his wrath even worse than it allready is and there will be nothing we can do about it.

THE TIME FOR WAR WITH IRAN IS NOW, BEFORE THEY GET THEIR HANDS ON A WORKABLE NUCLEAR BONB.

This subject bores me. Do you honestly want to confirm the belief that the US is a war-mongering country? Because that will happen if we invade Iran. And for what reason? Simply because we're afraid. That's right. Afraid. Afraid of a nuke. Let me clue you in on a little something. There are countless ways for a not-so-legal group to procure radioactive substances for use in a bomb. Ever heard of a 'dirty bomb'? It's a conventional explosive warhead packed with a radioactive compound, such as radium or cesium. If that sucker went off in Lower Manhattan, the whole island would be contaminated for a very long time. And things like that are easy, if not cheap, to make. Any terrorist group could make one. Or even worse, an EMP. Electro-Magnetic Pulse. Also an easy to make warhead that would damage us more than a nuke would. An EMP sends out an electro-magnetic pulse (as the name implies) which will destroy any electronics in the blast radius and wipe all storage devices while not damaging people or buildings. Instant Stone Age. We should be worrying about preventing those things from happening more than about Iran, which couldn't hold a candle to the US even if they tried.

I may be going out on a limb here, but is there a chance that Israel might take of the Iran situation for us. Iran is a far greater threat to Israel than us, location wise. And Sharon is a bit of a hothead. I wouldn't put it past him.

LEt them be industrialized.. how could a country be without freakin BOMBS! Even JAPAN HAS THEM! No nukes yet but they do have reactors. The U.S does not want any country in the world to be more powerful than them so they screw ever1 up.

To redrepublican from another thread as well written by me.

You fool, Iran would be in much better shape if the US didnt hate it. If the Shah was still in reign then maybe not. YOu guys are so influenced by the media. How do you know the so called "insurgents" arent just fighting for thier country? HOw stupid could you guys be. Do you really think bush is there to LIBERATE the Iraqis? As soon as the government is in place, hes out. And you know why? Because the royal family of Saudi Arabia(Americas best oil buddy" is going to get over thrown. So? SO we need another country to get our oil from. There is the truth. All the oil going up on Alaska? Thats being saved for the switch between the saudis to the new "democratic" government. Wow, its pretty amazing how powerful the governments grip is over the press. To prove that, World War I. The US governemnt used massive propaganda to say the war was for a great cause. Really.. was it? The government controlled all of the newspapers because they didnt want voters to turn aganist the war. Argh edrepublican for real man.. let the minorites have a chance. Every president of the 21st century is try to delay the inevitable fall... even the MEDIA says it, take a look at our history. The roman empire the britain empire.. You know its true fool. But dont worry, sooner or later the rest of the world will turn on us.

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But, you don't get it! Iran is not my country! I frankly do not care! Until it becomes my problem, I don't care! And I can tell you right now, many of the Iranians don't care either. Sure, they wish it were better, but they do not want their country destroyed in the process. Ever heard the saying "Sometimes it's better to leave well enough alone"?

Iran is threatneing the entire world by violating teh Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty. it is violating it. it has rfepeatedly defied th UN and wil not stop until it was nuclear weapons. and what then? they will black mail the United States or any other nation if they dared to go after al-qaeda, who they sponsor.
we dont need to go free Iran because they are Iranians.
we need to go as fellow human beings fighting for freedom and a main goal.
and what the heck do you mean we didnt do anything for poland? we pushed back Germany didnt we?

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The Vietnam War
The Korean War

these are the only two i know enough about.
Vietnam was a won war until the media stepped in and starting spinning everything to the vietkong's advantage. Gerneral Giap, north vietnamese general, even said so in his memoirs.

tweh Korean war's mission was accomplished. we pushed NK out of SK. we had to pull back out of North Korea because of teh Chinese intervention.
the UN had failed to act upon China's aggressive moves in North Korea. that was not our fault. teh General Assembly of the United Nations supported our moving into North Korea under Secretary of State Dean Acheson's "Uniting for Peace" resolution.

redrepublican:

northstar316 did a good job, but I've got another

-When we "annexed" Hawaii, after killing their people and taking over their land.

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but you will continue to live under fear tyranny and have your people be killed by your own governemnt? if you really cared about your country, you would do what best for it and sitting around letting ruthless dictators running your country is not a way of showing love by any means.

But, you don't get it! Iran is not my country! I frankly do not care! Until it becomes my problem, I don't care! And I can tell you right now, many of the Iranians don't care either. Sure, they wish it were better, but they do not want their country destroyed in the process. Ever heard the saying "Sometimes it's better to leave well enough alone"?

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Did we sit around sit around during World War 2 saying oh its poland's problem, let them free themselves.
let the austrians go about finding a way to deal with it. its their problem.
you have no heart.

As mac123 said, yes, until they attacked us at Pearl Harbor, that is EXACTLY what we did. Plus, we never did ANYTHING for Poland, before or after the war.

Amen. The logical solution is to connect the dots (Iraq, Iran, Afganistan). But I am worried that we have unwillingly set up a radical goverment in Iraq.

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give me an instance.

ok, fine:
The destruction and the subgagation of the Kingdom of Ha'waii
The Vietnam War
The Korean War
When we split Panama from Columbia
When we entered Cuba in 1898
The Philipine Conflict of 1896

I am too lazy to get my history book and find more.

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how many iraqi civilians have we killed? how many have we killed?
saddam kiled hundreds of thousands of his own people. hundreds of thousands. dont compare us to him.

One hundred thousand ourselves, right? In only three years! That is quite the track record

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Did we sit around sit around during World War 2 saying oh its poland's problem, let them free themselves.
let the austrians go about finding a way to deal with it. its their problem.
you have no heart.

lol....until pearl harbor basically.

"Yeah, I can say the same thing about wanting my country to be freed of Bush and many other idiots like him with power,"

you are comparing Bush to teh hezbollah? my God id never thought anyone would go that far. no one has any reasoning behind their senseless hatred of bush. not one of you do.

"but I am not willing to have my country be torn apart and my people SLAUGHTERED because some country thinks it's "the right thing" to meddle in affairs that are no concern of theirs and start a war. "

but you will continue to live under fear tyranny and have your people be killed by your own governemnt? if you really cared about your country, you would do what best for it and sitting around letting ruthless dictators running your country is not a way of showing love by any means.

"Also, the Iranians, unlike the Iraquis, at least have a strong government. It's not the best, no, but that is THEIRS to work out, not ours."

"if you stand up for freedom, America will stand with you."
Did we sit around sit around during World War 2 saying oh its poland's problem, let them free themselves.
let the austrians go about finding a way to deal with it. its their problem.
you have no heart.


"And, if it's such a wonderful thing Bush is planning to do by starting ANOTHER war and even MORE COLLOSAL DEBT, then how come none of them seem to think so? "

and yet bush is planning to cut nearly 150 governemnt agencies that do nothign and are wasting government money.


"What about us? We have huge, nuclear and dangerous weapons. Does that mean that every country with power is a threat? What, do you want the US to run the rest of the world?"

i feel like i am talking to my niece. our government isnt a terrorist government. birtian's governemnt isnt terrorists. they can handle nuclear weapons. countries like iran, who is the number one sponsor of terrorism, do not need to have nuclear capabilities. do you think for one second that iran will hesitate to send their nuclear knowledge and fuunding to al-qaeda? can you imagine nuclear-armed terrorists? do you have any idea what kind of threat that would be to american soldiers?

"lus, read up on your hsitory: everytime we have ever gonei n "to free" some ocuntry, we end up hogging their land, killing their people and getting them pissed off with us. It has never ended well."

give me an instance.

"But we do not mind killing Iraqi citizens ourselves, seemingly."

how many iraqi civilians have we killed? how many have we killed?
saddam kiled hundreds of thousands of his own people. hundreds of thousands. dont compare us to him.

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if they really cared about their country they would want what was best for them and whats best for the Iranians and they know it is freedom. the Iranians have started a pro-western movement as it is so it is not the Americans trying to "impose" democracy on a nation that supposedly "doesnt want it."

Yeah, I can say the same thing about wanting my country to be freed of Bush and many other idiots like him with power, but I am not willing to have my country be torn apart and my people SLAUGHTERED because some country thinks it's "the right thing" to meddle in affairs that are no concern of theirs and start a war.

Also, the Iranians, unlike the Iraquis, at least have a strong government. It's not the best, no, but that is THEIRS to work out, not ours. And, if it's such a wonderful thing Bush is planning to do by starting ANOTHER war and even MORE COLLOSAL DEBT, then how come none of them seem to think so?

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do you think taht RIan will dick around with their weapons? they have a purpose for making them and its not to defend themselves if necessary. only a fool would believe so.

What about us? We have huge, nuclear and dangerous weapons. Does that mean that every country with power is a threat? What, do you want the US to run the rest of the world?

Plus, read up on your hsitory: everytime we have ever gonei n "to free" some ocuntry, we end up hogging their land, killing their people and getting them pissed off with us. It has never ended well.

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that is not true! saddam committed mass genocide. do anyof you war critics feel remotely sorry for the saddam iraq citizens? or am i in the minority along with my republican friends?

But we do not mind killing Iraqi citizens ourselves, seemingly.

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Imagine: No LIbEralS

Imagine: The 13 North American English Colonies still attached to England in the year 2005.

"WHEN YOU START A WAR, IT IS ALWAYS YOU IN THE WRONG. "

that is not true! saddam committed mass genocide. do anyof you war critics feel remotely sorry for the saddam iraq citizens? or am i in the minority along with my republican friends?

"Plus, unlike many here, I am sure, I have family members who are Iraquis and MANY, MANY, MANY friends who are Iranian. They go back every summer and i nearly die out of fear for them."

if they really cared about their country they would want what was best for them and whats best for the Iranians and they know it is freedom. the Iranians have started a pro-western movement as it is so it is not the Americans trying to "impose" democracy on a nation that supposedly "doesnt want it."

"Also, where I live, half the school population is Iranian or half. It would totally SUCK if we decided to start ANOTHER DAMN WAR with people who don't have anything to DO with us!!!"

do you think taht RIan will dick around with their weapons? they have a purpose for making them and its not to defend themselves if necessary. only a fool would believe so.

PLEASE, NO MROE WARS!!!

WHEN YOU START A WAR, IT IS ALWAYS YOU IN THE WRONG.

Plus, unlike many here, I am sure, I have family members who are Iraquis and MANY, MANY, MANY friends who are Iranian. They go back every summer and i nearly die out of fear for them.

Also, where I live, half the school population is Iranian or half. It would totally SUCK if we decided to start ANOTHER DAMN WAR with people who don't have anything to DO with us!!!

*Note: I am under sever fatigue and sleep-deprivation right now, and will probably be back by tomorrow to apologize if any are offended.

While were "liberating" Iran why don't we just go ahead and free up Egypt, Syria, and Pakistan as well, that way we can save time arguing in the future when we want their oil.

No war, please i had enough.