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Registered: April 23, 2002
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I personally am not sure if there's a god or not.Im leaning more towards no.When we say the pledge in school,I leave out "under god" because its something that I dont think is right to say.Its time for our government to become more politically correct.They(government officals" assume that everyone believes in god and has a faith
Registered: April 12, 2002
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im catholic and i believe in god but for da people who dont i think dats not fair 4 dem cuz dey shouldnt be sayzing under god cuz its gives da wrong impression like if sum1 sayz dat sum1 from like a diff country mite think da whols us believes in god n i think dats da government should change it cuz its just not rite 4 da peeps who dont believe in god.

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Registered: March 13, 2002
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Horray for staying on topic!
Registered: April 12, 2002
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I think that homelessness is sad. I did a report on them and i have notice that homelesss people live the roughest life. They have to search for food while we just get our food handed to us. And we always think that life is hard for us because we are teens. Think how hard it is for a homeless teenager to live on the street. There is nothing i can do by myself but i think that the people of america need to help there own people. We are all united as one why cant we be treated as one. Homeless people should get a second chance of life. To get off the streets and start a whole new life. While i was doing a interview with a homeless guy i met Charles Wilson he made me wonder about people and there actions he qouted "It's just rough everywhere. No matter how well you're doin’, no matter how good you're supposed to be. A lot of people are at risk because the world is crazy. So no matter how high you are on the scale, no matter how low you are on the scale, it’s really the person that counts. Like uh--my mother raised me in the church, and I believe a lot about the Word. Those who, uh, those who try to be on the top are goin’ to be on the bottom, and those on the bottom will be on the top. Those who try to be first will be last; and those who be--try to--who--don’t try to be first--well you know what I'm sayin’. You could have nothin’ and be the happiest person in the world." Even though i could not understand him, i still knew what he was talking about.
Registered: February 23, 2002
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it definitely IS you.
Registered: November 01, 2001
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On the one hand, it would be a simple solution to just clip out the "under God" part. All the rest of the Pledge would be left intact, like, "One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all". But on the other hand, what would that say about our country's religious policies? Fanatics would say that the gov't is religionless and therefore "satanic". (Huh. Satanic. What an overused word.) Anyway...you see the point I'm trying to make?

Perhaps this would only exacerbate the problem, but maybe we should put the words "under the Creator" in. There's at least one all-exalted power in every single religion that I know of, so that would cover all the religions in America (I think, anyway). Or maybe the Pledge should be prefaced by saying, "The God referred to in our country's pledge is whoever you see Him or Her as. He or She is called by all different names in all different religions, and you may choose to say the Pledge or not." Perhaps, just perhaps, that might work. Does that seem reasonable?

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Registered: April 06, 2002
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I think the words, when you really look at them, are very clear. Our nation was founded under God, and this is evident also in our money. The pledge is a statement that we are loyal to the country that God's grace has given us, a place where we can freely worship him (or at least we used to). It says that we are indivisible when we rely on God, through him all things are possible.
Registered: January 14, 2002
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In my opinion, I think we shouldn't say the pledge of Allegiance every single day simply because if you say it every day, it doesn't mean as much because it gets annoying after a while. I think we should do it at like school functions or if something really bad happens like a death of a State Representatice or something along those lines.

I think its dishonorable to say something and not mean it

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Registered: February 22, 2002
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I do not believe that the words under god should be in the pledge. Due to the attacks on September 11 my school district has voted to allow the pledge to be said in school (until know it was not allowed). Before the pledge is said each morning the announcer says, "The pledge is encouraged but voluntary. Students who choose not to say the pledge shall not be judged." This is said every day but it is not true. People at my school who dont say the pledged are being bullied because of their beliefs. A few weeks ago the announcements were delayed for some reason to 4th period, my acting class. A girl and I were the only ones who did not stand up and say it. When the pledge was over the people in the class started yelling at her, "Why don't you say the pledge? Youre going to hell. You satan worshiper. You hate god. What are you a terrorist? Are an Osama lover?" The teacher didnt even say anything. Many of them hadnt realized I didn't say the pledge because I sat in the back.
She didnt say the pledge because she thought it meant to say it from your heart once or twice a month than make it a routine inconvenience every day.
Registered: February 04, 2002
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While all of you made good points, you perhaps, don't realize that people of non-christian denominations do not refer to their deiety as "God". For example, Jewish people call their deiety Jehova.
According to the website, http://secular.ws/pledge/The_Pledge/the_pledge.html , the phrase "Under God" was added by Congress because of a concerted effort by The Knights of Columbus (a catholic organization) who petitioned and lobbied congress for the religous addition. So you can see that orginal version of our Pledge of Alligience was true to our consuitional rights of freedom of religion and from religion.
Registered: April 06, 2002
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well LeftBehind, it's not so much that saying the pledge is professing that you believe in GOd as much as saying that you love your country and her values. You see, if the pledge of allegiance was to profess your belief in god, then you wouldn't be able to say it because of the separarion of church in state. I mean i can see your point on the matter, but i don't think it's completely correct. The beginning of the pledge says "I pledge alliegance to the flag of the United States of America". That has nothing to do with God. "Indivisible Under God" means basically that the author of this believed that God is watching over us.
Registered: April 06, 2002
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well LeftBehind, it's not so much that saying the pledge is professing that you believe in GOd as much as saying that you love your country and her values. You see, if the pledge of allegiance was to profess your belief in god, then you wouldn't be able to say it because of the separarion of church in state. I mean i can see your point on the matter, but i don't think it's completely correct. The beginning of the pledge says "I pledge alliegance to the flag of the United States of America". That has nothing to do with God. "Indivisible Under God" means basically that the author of this believed that God is watching over us.
Registered: April 05, 2002
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Alright, first off I've just observed a number of misconceptions. As you all are aware (or should be) seperation of church and state is one of the key principles upon which this country was based upon (numerous people came here for the exclusive purpose of religious freedom). Though it states "one nation, under God" the purpose for that phrase is simple. It acknowledges that we are a nation yes, however that the nation is not a religion, but rather is beneath any diety / relgious faith you may choose to have. It merely acknowledges that this nation is not superior to religion, and that statement acknowledges the seperation between not only government and religion, but acknowledges the priority / power of a supreme being. Furthermore, it implies that the government exists as an imperfect entity, not to be religiously followed, but known to have flaws. Were we to acknowledge the government as a religion, one may be less likely to speak out against something claiming imperfection, however, this statement states just the opposite.
Registered: March 19, 2002
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The pledge is talking about the "Christian" God because that is what we were founded on. This debate shows the very problem in America. Everyone is worried about every single compromise of their rights. Get a life. You live in the best country in the world. You don't believe in God, fine. But this nation was founded under those principles, so that shouldn't be a reason not to pledge allegiance. Americans are greedy, suck it up and give up petty arguments.
Registered: March 31, 2002
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I know half of the people in my class say the pledge but the other does not just to be cool! This makes me mad mad because they are being disrespectful to God and their country. People need to learn that what is happening to this world and our our people is not very good and they need to be respectful to the flag! Even if there was not a war people still need to say the pledge and honer their country, God, and their people for what they are doing in this world today! big grin
Registered: March 23, 2002
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I have always pondered that question, even though I do beleive in God. I mean @a baseball game, u see every1 get up and put their hands on their hearts, but, u don't see every1 say all the words. It's like, if you don't beleive in God, you don't belong in America, and that's pretty messed up. It makes me roll my eyes. roll eyes and it also makes me confused about America. confused
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Registered: March 18, 2002
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God it self is a genral term like: I belive in a god.
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Registered: September 19, 2001
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It says "one nation, under God,..." You are pledging "alliegance to the flag" not a God. And it doesn't matter anyway. Are your recognizing God by using money, and even by recognizing the Constitution. No. Our nation was built on religion and yes, even God, and that should be important to us a citizans.


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Registered: April 03, 2002
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What about the atheists and agnostics ?
Registered: January 16, 2002
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number one...catholic church is a denomination of christianity.
number two...all religions do not involve god and all people dont involve religion in their lives.

I agree that you are not devoting yourself to your country as much as to someone elses beliefs

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