Not to insult anyone here, I know there are some creationist here, but i'd like to hear a logical reason why anyone would doubt the theory of evolution or beleive that the Earth is only 10,000 years old.
I'll be ready with a counter argument if anyone responds.
Jookly- The problem with that statement is simple: You can't apply a likelyhood or odds to the existance of a creator. On the other hand, we can apply some statistics to the chance of spontanteous creation. What we do know is that DNA and RNA are extremely complex and fragile molecules, and are also the building blocks of life as we know it. Not to mention the enzymes and proteins nessecary to reproduce both. In the end, we're looking at something that is EXREMELY unlikely. If we start finidng life all over the place when we finnaly step into space, then we will be faced with two likely answers: A.) There is something drastically wrong/unknown about our understaning of protiens and RNA/DNA B.) Some outside or intelligent force is spreading/creating life.
In the end, i think the grandure of the whole God debate is that the answers will lie within our minds, the intracate and amazing world of sub atomic particles, and in the secrets of life itself. Bashing organized relgion only ever leads to debates falling into petty insults. Something this thread has been surprisingly free of.
And Pie it's going to be a while if i'm ever going to make up that post, i've got a lot going on in my "real" life so time for Youthnoise is limited.
Thank you jstar for noting my contempt towards Christianity specifically, for it is towards Christianity that I am most contemptuous, though I am wary of all organized religion to be sure. I was addressing nsyncgirl, who I assume (perhaps erroneously) is Christian--I was simply addressing the fact that her post (which I copied almost verbatim) had no evidence to support her claims that Darwin is a liar, evolution the lie. I'm just stating that indeed the same argument (that the theorists behind them are 'liars') could be made against the Bible, the Koran, the Torah or what have you.
quote: Religion is a theory that was created by men named (fill in names of Bible authors here).
Your dislike for Christianity shows through here, Brooke, as you target one religion and one religion alone, not even caring to mention other religions. You seem biased from the start.
Evolution is a theory that was created by a man named Darwin. He came up with his theory because he could not comprehend the facts of creationism. He did not believe that God could perform such miraculous things. Well, humans are not supposed to be able to comprehend God. Humans cannot comprehend Heaven either. Some humans on this earth need an explanation for everything to make sense to them. Well, sorry, but Darwin lied
What is Religion? Religion is a theory that was created by men named (fill in names of Bible authors here). They came up with their theory because they could not comprehend the facts of nature. They did not believe that nature could perform such miraculous things. Well, humans are not supposed to be able to comprehend nature. Humans cannot comprehend mortality either. Some humans on this earth need an explanation for everything to make sense to them. Well, sorry, but (insert names of Bible's authors here) lied.
Which is more likely: that men with no scientific capability wanted an explanation for the world so they made one up or that a man (who was religious no less) made up a very well-documented theory to dupe us all into questioning God?
"Pie- I already answered some of those reasons (as you probably remeber) in a previous post. " Ahh yes...That would have been the longest post in YN history, yes?
Why are evolution and creatonism necessarily contradictory? Obviously, if you believe in evolution beginning with primordial ooze or whatever, that rules out Creation. But it's possible for Creatonists to believe that evolution is in action today, isn't it? Because it obviously is, so anyone who denies it is ignorant. But it is possible for them to complement each other.
And I wish you'd stop preaching, Joey. That didn't really contribute.
Pie- I already answered some of those reasons (as you probably remeber) in a previous post. I'll try and do a point by point of some of those reasons. We'll see but that is a lotta data and i do have other things to do.
I'm sorry to burst your bubble nsyncgirl but theres scientific evidence that backs up the evolution "theory".
(Just so you know, Darwin was a very religious man, he was christian. He studied to become a clergyman of the Church of England, and graduated from Cambridge.)
The Big Bang Theory, is the most accepted theory, and theres evidence that supports that too.
So I think its you the one that cannot comprehend the facts of the evolution instead of Darwin being the one that cannot comprehend the facts of creationism, because, simply, there are NO real facts on the creationism theory.
I respect your beliefs in God and how he started everything, I do too, share that opinion, God started everything, but I do not support the creatiniosm theory, because, i think that it isnt a theory, its just a metaphor. And I believe that science and religion can both exist without one ruling out the other one completely.
The "we can't understand God's ways" explanation is very lacking and without base. Darwin was the first publisher, but since then the theory has been supported and developed several times over.
quote: Some humans on this earth need an explanation for everything to make sense to them.
Yes, and some people choose broad, unsupported explanations instead of specific and logical ones.
Evolution is a theory that was created by a man named Darwin. He came up with his theory because he could not comprehend the facts of creationism. He did not believe that God could perform such miraculous things. Well, humans are not supposed to be able to comprehend God. Humans cannot comprehend Heaven either. Some humans on this earth need an explanation for everything to make sense to them. Well, sorry, but Darwin lied.
Both creationism and natrual selection have a weird flaw, in that: Where did it all begin? Many would say that only evolution theory has this flaw, but quantum physisists are working out several models as we speak. There are all sorts of ways in which "something" can come from "nothing".
Creation theory has the same problem. No, I'm not talking about the origin of God, I'm talking about: how does He make stuff? You know, "stuff." He thinks about it, and it… appears? By what mechanism do the thoughts convert into matter? What were the base materials out of which God made everything? Himself?
between the choices of evolution and creatism, i do not believe in either. neither makes much sense to me.. heres an interesting fact for you, (evolution theory) when building the first lunar module for the apollo 11 mission, they made the 'legs' of the module very long, because it was believed that after the millions of years the moon had been in space, at least 6 ft of dust would be on the surface.. and ya know what? there was hardly 6 in.. so has the moon really been around for millions of years? and if it hasnt, has the earth?? but then again.. the whole idea that an all powering being created the earth and everything else makes me ask questions.. like, where did he come from, and how long was he aroudn before he made us? and for that matter, has he done it before, messed up, and started over? i guess i like to think in simplier terms: i'm here.. who cares how or when, the fact is i am.. cuz when you start thinking of ape relations, my stomach turns..
When we try to discover our origins - the origin of the big bang, of mammals, or of humans - we're stuck looking at things from a subjective angle. I mean, I look around and the first thing I think is, "It's pretty obvious to me that all this stuff was created for the intention that my spieces lives here." Likewise, it seems that if there was a big bang, it "intended" to form eight planets, and an Earth and stuff. The thing is, we're looking at it all in reverse. We say, "at some point the humans arrived, and before that there was a universe. So obviously the universe was created for the sole purpose of its humans."
Joey - the nine planets and their moons did not "form their own gravitational field," but always had a gravitational feild, because all masses have a gravitational field. And when you say, 'PLUS positioning themselves on their own axis points", I'm prepared to laugh out loud. Wherever they happen to be "positioned" at IS their own axis points. That's like saying, "I'm sure glad my name's Joey, because that's what everyone calls me," when in fact it's the other way around.
Indeed, the theory of evolution is just that, a theory. This is because scientists are very open-minded, and don't assume that they know everything. It's a theory because there might still be a few flaws in it - it will never be totally perfect. On the other hand, creationism is a "law" because its defenders want it to be one, not because it has the vast majority of evidence. At no point did anyone analyze it to see whether it was a "theory" or a "law" - it's just a law because people want it to be.
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