Fwegan-The whole concept of creationism in grounded in that God created the Earth only a few thousand (10 or so) years ago. Evolution is scientific theory, which is what I was reffering to in my post, and the actual probabilities of Earth happening as we know it are extremely thin. Then, most find it hard to believe in a supernatural being who did it for us. Fossil evidence is too skimpy to confirm that things evolve from, well, animal to animal. (ex, dinosaur to bird). Just because they're similar doesn't mean they are same.
hockychk. the wind is not the same as religion. Wind is a tangable thing(even if we can't literally see it). air is a tangable thing. earth is a tangable thing, and outer space is a tangable thing. you can fill a glass with them, and you don't need "faith" to justify thier existence. faith and religon are abstractions. i'm not saying they don't exist in the real world, i'm just saying that it lies more in the realm of human imagination more so anyWHERE else. that is why it is called a leap of faith; and why some never jump.
"just because i have green eyes doesn't mean that my kids and my grandkids and my greatgrandkids will" ... actually it all depends on who YOU have kids with. green is a recessive gene and is dominated by brown and black. if a greeneyed guy; the kids going to have green eyes(unless he has a recessive blue)...... these kinds of things aren't huge mysterys of the universe....
Pie: The theory of evolution doesn't rely on the Big Bang theory. They're totally separate. And all the "if"s you listed are only to get the world how we have it -- I mean, the whold thing about evolution is that organisms adapt to their surroundings and fellow organisms. Because of that, living things could live on Pluto, or wherever, so the distance of the Earth from the sun is completely irrelevant.
Hockeychick: Actually, the going belief in the scientific community nowadays is that the universe isn't endless, but that it has a measurable end.
everything you believe in whether it be creationism or evolution is going to have some IFS so we may as well accept the fact that no number of posts that we make is going to make one of us right and the other wrong.
someone in a post below wrote about science being right about everything from evolution to the universe being endless. just a thought: how do we know the universe is endless? cuz people told you cuz that's what the school system says or that's what scientists speculate how will we ever know for sure. the truth is we won't but we have faithin the fact that the universe is endless. faith is believing without seeing. we beileve there's wind because we can feel it and we can see it's reprecussions in the world around us i feel the same way about religion it's not something you can prove in a scientific way but it's something you have faith in.
phoebe: yes the moths that became the more prominent of species did prove that animals more or less adapt to their surroundings but what i'm trying to get at is that the moth didn't become a bat to get away from whatever was driving it to its death. as you said genes determine our distinguishing features and just because i have green eyes doesn't mean that my kids and my grandkids and my greatgrandkids will ...
it's interesting that people all assume that the earth rotates around the sun. it does, don't get me wrong, but the earth is actually in between the gravitational pull of the sun and jupitor.... it's a constant battle of tug of war in which we stay suspended. i just wanted to say that. i am torn between evolution and creationism (literally). why can't they go hand in hand? ever hear of the intelligent design theory. just a theory i know, but then again so is EVERYTHING else. from religon to relativity. Science does have the best theory though.......... heard of the Uncertainty Principle?
Evolution is full of nothing but if's. If there could be a ball of matter the size of a pinhead floating in emptyness containing enough material to produce everything we know of in the universe, If some nonliving molecules could form to create living creatures in great enough quantities to reproduce consistantly and colonize the planet, If they could survive the harsh climates, Ifthe Earth could be positioned exactly far enough away from the Sun for this too happen...
I totally believe in evolution! It's the only logic or worthy explaination for the world. It makes sense and it's believable!! I think science is right all the way. Thw whole forming of the planets, the endless universe, and everything.
any one here feel like they have a broken leg? You know, you come to school in a cast and EVERYONE asks you about it and you feel like making a sign to carry around and explain so YOU don't have to...? Well, just a thought...
ANYWAYS- We have seen new species come into play, surely learning about Darwin you learned that NATURAL ( ) selection isn't exactly one thing birthing a new thing it is whatever species best fitted for it's environment surviving and flourishing.
You probably just forgot the moths i Britan that "changed" from white and speckled to brown during the industrial revolution. they were actually two varieties...
the brown was a minority, mutant, fluke, whatever in the normal white moth species, there weren't many of them until the increase in industry killed off the moss... the WHITE moss growing on the trees making the white moths stick out like sore thumbs on the plain brown bark... but not the brown, they were camoflaged from predators and so THEY flourished and became the dominant variety.
a similar thing happened with humans, others have already pointed this out but THE REASON THERE ARE STILL MONKEYS (apes would have been a better choice of word (think tail))IS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T EVOLVE FROM MONKEYS! WE SHARE A COMMON ANCESTOR there is genetic proof of this. here's an example too:
my brother and i have the same parents, he has brown eyes, i have blue, his hair is much darker than mine, he has a more slender (when compared to the average) build, he has a different shaped nose, different shaped toes, and is border line retarded where as I have always been in accelerated classes. we are very different but come from the same thing. We have different genes. Surely you've learned about this.
Now if we lived in harder times maybe i would pass on my genes and he wouldn't because i am a quicker learner than him and not as supceptable to illness or injury (and not as scrony ) my genes would be passed on and his wouldn't. How do we get new genes? Mutations. Everyone knows that this happens. It happens on small scales very often. I don't have cartilage in the end of my nose, both of my parents do, this could be a resesive gene, or a mutation.
take dogs into acount, there are new breeds of dog, dog is a different species from wolves, dingos and hyenas yet we all know that dogs were bred from such animals.
this is long but one more thing that others i'm sure have already said NEANDERTHALS WERE NOT ANCESTORS TO HUMANS, please get the facts strait before agruing agains (or for) evolution.
good to see a few of you at least have respect, personally don't think creationismis right for everyone,i don't think evolution is right for everyone either.
NOTE: And i've said it before If you count Cathlocism and Protestant(... ism?) as separate faiths (i.e. not as one big christian ball) then actually the most popular faith in the world is none, or athiesm. I sure of that and I think that Islam is second, then cathlocism then protestant... then i think hindu then buddist... not sure from then on...
first off: profeminist i'm pretty sure everyone here, even if we don't believe the same thing, is resepectful of the fact that we all believe in something ... this is just a way for everyone to consider other peoples feelings and other peoples beliefs in a way that you're learning what you may not have learnt in any other setting
secondly: i'm taking grade 11 ancient civ. which begins with studying the evolution of man beginning with the neanderthal and the cro-magnon (i'm sorry if that's the french way of saying it i don't know any other name for them) we also watched a movie on charles darwin.
i admit he is a genius man and what he believed in he believed in strongly however his theory (i'm sorry my minds blanked on the name ... something selectivity) i felt was lacking evidence.
he said that humans had been breeding that "perfect species" for years but to me that didn't imply that it was something that was happening naturally it was humans interfeering with the natural reproduction of species.
as well he said that with the number of species that we have were just evolved and adapted species of others but how come we haven't ever seen one of these "new creatures" humans have been on this earth and have been recording historical data for a couple thousand years and there has never been a "fish turned dolphin-frog life creature" or anything like that. although we've seen creatures disappear we've never seen a completely new creature appear or evolve
It's amazing how every board you go to, no matter what the place, will eventually have one (or more) heavy discussions on evolution vs creation.
I'm not going to write 3 pages of amazing text but I will say this: Who are you (applies to everyone) to tell someone what they believe in is wrong? Personally, every time I look at this world, I see how evolution could only be done with the help of God. But that's just what I think. I'm not going to butt into your life and tell you your wrong. Why can't people just have a little tolerance? This is the same reason there is racism and sexism and everything else. People believe they're right and theres no possability for anyone else to be right. Fix your own problems before you start pointing out others.
Sidenote: If you've ever programmed a game, you'd know that "something can't happen unless it's ment to." You can't so much as pick up and throw a stick if the game doesn't have it writen into it.
profeminist- I'm ignoring you untill you can act a little more sensibly. Militant feminism is something that will get you hated on these boards. Especially if your a 33 year old coming in and rattling off propaganda on a youth site.
quote: to me it's easier to believe something and defend something that you've grown up knowingbut i definately still believe that creationism leaves more room for science to come into play but not be the sole determining factor of our entire existence.
Interesting, especially the last line. Let me say this: What I believe is that in all probable sense, there had to be an intelligent design to life and the universe. However, there is strong evidence that the traditional (and what I am referring to as "creationist") biblical acounts are off track. We've had that discussion already. This is why I try and shy away from the Bible as a historical source. It has valuable philisophy, and some value as a historical document, but it's not something to base science off of. When you trace history back to the begining of time, one question stands clear. Not who created matter and energy, a few theories on spontanious creation have been floated, and I've found at least on of them credible. These theories are all based around the laws of phyiscs as we know them. When it all comes down to it, to the very, very begining, and the very very end, is the question: Who created the laws of physics. They are not something tangible, and they appear not to be random, but indeed very logcial. Present any other source for the laws and I'll be impressed.
quote: neanderthals and homoerectus "monkeys" are extinct how did we evolve further and survive?
Neanderthals were not part of human evolution, they were another sentient race that developed but died off. Homoerectus evetually evolved into us, and we pushed them out or they simply dissapeared.
quote: i dont belive in the evoulution theory i belive we were creted by God
bizpa- While it's good to state your opinions, you can make your point better by providing some eleboration. Just friendly advice.
quote: strangeglove went through a quite a lenthy process showing you the absurdity of Mr Gods' religion. Dispelling the absurd idea that christianity is anything of value is a favor indeed. the bible is idiocy.
First, why does everyone always think my name is Dr. Strangeglove?
Second, I did nothing on the scale of dispelling the whole of the christian religion. I simply attacked the idea that the Earth is 10,000 years old and that the whole of science is wrong.
Third, you will be futile in attacking Christianity as a whole. It's open philosophy, and reliance on faith make it an almost invunerable target. And on top of that, I really don't think it should be attacked. Which leads me to...
quote: We learned to reason hockeychick86, something you dont want to do by clinging to archaic christian nonsense
Look a little more at society and tell me that hundreds of millions of people "clinging" to an established religion is a bad thing. Contrary to popular belief, I beleive religion has actually done a great deal of good for this world.
Hockeychick86...come on....strangeglove went through a quite a lenthy process showing you the absurdity of Mr Gods' religion. Dispelling the absurd idea that christianity is anything of value is a favor indeed. the bible is idiocy.
"how did we evolve further and survive?" We learned to reason hockeychick86, something you dont want to do by clinging to archaic christian nonsense
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) selection isn't exactly one thing birthing a new thing it is whatever species best fitted for it's environment surviving and flourishing.
) my genes would be passed on and his wouldn't. How do we get new genes? Mutations. Everyone knows that this happens. It happens on small scales very often. I don't have cartilage in the end of my nose, both of my parents do, this could be a resesive gene, or a mutation.
sorry bout the length 
