I on my own have deicied to launch an investigation of the JFK Assaination.
why? cause I can and I think from a prelimnary view the whole thing looks damn fishy to what conclusion? my own satisfaction where will it end? opening hour at the national archives in 2029 when the House Commite on Assainations papers are released to public viewing
so I want opinions what do you guys think about the kennedy killings? is there a grand conspiracy or was it just a nut job named Lee Harvey Oswald?
I also need ideas. Know a book on the subject? tell me. Know how the Freedom of Information Act works? tell me ASAP.
any help is welcome, nuts need not apply
"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done"."
then we need bullets like that for the troops anything that can make 7 wounds on it's own is worth having in military hands
"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done"."
Originally posted by ampmaster: Regardless the upperback and neck ar full of dense muscles (feel your back sometime) bone and all sorts of things that would A. slow to to terminal velocity or B. mangle a rifle round
Still, these tests on the bullet seemed to have concluded very specifically that the bullet could survive as long as it did not hit bone directly at a high velocity. The bullet hit Kennedy to the side of the spine and below his collarbone, meaning it did not initially impact any bone. It did make contact with Conally's ribs and wrist (and it's speculated that it might have made contact with one of Kennedy's vertebra), but by the time it was there the muscle and tissue had slowed it down enough to scrape on by. These bullets are evidently tough little bastards.
To quote U.S. House Select Committee on Assassinations chief forensic pathologist Dr. Michael Baden on the matter, "I've seen similar bullets that have inflicted gunshot wounds. The bullet was traveling slow enough that, while its speed and density were still greater than the bone it was hitting, it was not moving so fast as to deform seriously the metal jacket."
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No it didn't. The "Magic Bullet" hit Kennedy very high in the back and exited out his throat. It was the second accurate shot that hit Kennedy in the skull.
Regardless the upperback and neck ar full of dense muscles (feel your back sometime) bone and all sorts of things that would A. slow to to terminal velocity or B. mangle a rifle round
"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done"."
Originally posted by ampmaster: Ah but the bolt action rifle that oswald was using, while magazine fed had a cycle of several seconds (bolt up, back, shell ejected, forward, locked and ready to fire again) Olympic speed shooting with that type of action is down to maybe 3 seconds but Oswald as the standard theory would have it was an avergae joe and nothing close to an olympic speed shooter.
Oswald was using a Mannlicher-Carcano. Different non-biased organizations have conducted simulations that have shown that type of rifle can be fired very quickly. A CBS documentary in 1975 (yes, I got bored enough to do some research) showed that the average time it took volunteers to fire off 3 shots was 5.6 seconds. More recent examiners of the Zapruder film have concluded that the first shot was fired off earlier than originally believed, and it is now believed that Oswald had a full eight seconds.
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The first round hit Kennedy's Skull
No it didn't. The "Magic Bullet" hit Kennedy very high in the back and exited out his throat. It was the second accurate shot that hit Kennedy in the skull.
but I do know it's definitely possible to fire off three shots with a rifle in just a few seconds. You don't have to be a sharpshooter to do that.
Ah but the bolt action rifle that oswald was using, while magazine fed had a cycle of several seconds (bolt up, back, shell ejected, forward, locked and ready to fire again) Olympic speed shooting with that type of action is down to maybe 3 seconds but Oswald as the standard theory would have it was an avergae joe and nothing close to an olympic speed shooter.
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They've done tests on the CE-399 bullet and concluded that this type of bullet only deteriorates if it hits bone at a high velocity. In the single bullet theory as it is presented, the bullet would have been slowed by tissue before striking the fairly small amount of bone it did strike. Most of what the bullet ripped through was skin and tissue anyway. The bullet being found intact is amazing, but not impossible.
The first round hit Kennedy's Skull (a now famous clip which is used as possible evidence because of his body movement upon being shot. (pitching back instead of forward which is common when being shot from behind) The Human skull is a set of some of the strongest constructed pieces of bone in the human body and the bullet hit two of them then headed down at a severe angel impacting kennedy near the left wrist where another few bones were surely impacted due to the construction of the fore-arm so even if the round survived the first impact in penetration shape and maintained speed to cause more severe wounds the chances are astronomical that it would survive the second impact A. intact or B. with sufficent speed to penetrate again much less 5 more times.
"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done"."
Originally posted by Aguagon: To the best of my knowledge, there's no evidence that proves there were two shooters, nor is there any evidence that proves that shooter could not have been Oswald.
Exactly but the facts about the bullets, jack ruby's involvement, the mob in cuba, the kennedys mob connections speak for themselves.
The original draft of The Lord of the Rings featured Chuck Norris instead of Frodo Baggins. It was only 5 pages long, as Chuck roundhouse-kicked Sauron's ass halfway through the first chapter.
To the best of my knowledge, there's no evidence that proves there were two shooters, nor is there any evidence that proves that shooter could not have been Oswald.
Originally posted by Aguagon: I think there was a single shooter, and I think that single shooter was Oswald. Beyond that, I'm really not sure.
Impossible. There were at least 2 shooters and oswald was framed whoever the shooters are or were they were professinal oswald was not.
The original draft of The Lord of the Rings featured Chuck Norris instead of Frodo Baggins. It was only 5 pages long, as Chuck roundhouse-kicked Sauron's ass halfway through the first chapter.
The original draft of The Lord of the Rings featured Chuck Norris instead of Frodo Baggins. It was only 5 pages long, as Chuck roundhouse-kicked Sauron's ass halfway through the first chapter.
Originally posted by ampmaster: see the key to the shooting is that no bullet can make 7 wounds because it would have deteriorated by about the second (if not the first) set of exits and enteries but they found the bullet after 7 wounds in perfect condition I defy you to find that round that can do that because the Pentagon needs to start ordering them.
They've done tests on the CE-399 bullet and concluded that this type of bullet only deteriorates if it hits bone at a high velocity. In the single bullet theory as it is presented, the bullet would have been slowed by tissue before striking the fairly small amount of bone it did strike. Most of what the bullet ripped through was skin and tissue anyway. The bullet being found intact is amazing, but not impossible.
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Oswald couldn't have fired all the shots simply because he wasn't fast enough a professional sharp shooter was asked to fire off those shots (remember this is a man who makes a living shooting a gun) on the same model of rifle and he couldn't do it and Oswald was no sharp shooter.
I admit I don't know much about the average man's accuracy with a gun, but I do know it's definitely possible to fire off three shots with a rifle in just a few seconds. You don't have to be a sharpshooter to do that.
see the key to the shooting is that no bullet can make 7 wounds because it would have deteriorated by about the second (if not the first) set of exits and enteries but they found the bullet after 7 wounds in perfect condition I defy you to find that round that can do that because the Pentagon needs to start ordering them.
Oswald couldn't have fired all the shots simply because he wasn't fast enough a professional sharp shooter was asked to fire off those shots (remember this is a man who makes a living shooting a gun) on the same model of rifle and he couldn't do it and Oswald was no sharp shooter.
"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done"."
I believe the conspiracy theory i stated because it is logical and makes sense of the fact that Jack Ruby wacked oswald.
The original draft of The Lord of the Rings featured Chuck Norris instead of Frodo Baggins. It was only 5 pages long, as Chuck roundhouse-kicked Sauron's ass halfway through the first chapter.
I can't explain the entrance and exit wounds (the hole in the back of Kennedy's head was really bigger?), but I do know that it's more than possible for someone to fire off three shots in six seconds with a rifle. Also, the "magic bullet" didn't have to twirl in midair or do anything magical at all provided that John Connally was positioned in front of and to the side of Kennedy...which he was. Fiber analyses and an examination of the windshield both support the one-gunman theory.
I know this doesn't even begin to cover some of the more complicated theories, such as the idea that a single shooter was working for the CIA, nor does it began to refute all the second shooter evidence, of which there's a surprising wealth. I just tend to disbelieve conspiracy theories of this magnitude on the grounds that one of the people associated with the conspiracy would eventually slip up.
JFK was killed by the CIA and the mob. The mob had buisness out of Cuba and JFK was supposed to go in and clean it out but he didnt so the CIA and the mafia killed him and set up oswald and then hired Jack Ruby to kill oswald to keep him quiet. Oswald could not have fired that many shots with that kind of rifle.
The original draft of The Lord of the Rings featured Chuck Norris instead of Frodo Baggins. It was only 5 pages long, as Chuck roundhouse-kicked Sauron's ass halfway through the first chapter.
The theory accepted by the warren commission is called "the magic bullet theory" where one bullet causes 7 wounds. Not only is that impossible using any modern bullet the angles on some of the entrance wounds shows that the rounds were coming from diffrent angles than the direction of Oswald's post so common sense would dictate that their were multiple shooters but common sense is not for goverment
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I think that one is proven (that's he an asshole not that he killed JFK)
I like the Jim Garrison Theory myself
"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done"."
I'm reading a book called CIA: Secrets of the Company. It includes some reasoning behind the CIA assasinating JFK, mostly because they have all the resources necessary to do the job. He was interfering with their ulterior motives, etc.
"If there was hope, it must lie in the proles, because only there, in those swarming disregarded masses, eighty-five percent of the population of Oceania, could the force to destroy the Party ever be generated," p.60, "1984," by George Orwell
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