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I admit, I was slightly harsh. However, I just have to laugh at thought FML being an ignorant child.

Heh, re-reading my post, I was a little harsh, too. Yea, FML definatly not an ignorant child. But, anyways. . . I didn't know you were fourteen.

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I get rather annoyed with Orlando freaks, but I'll go along with that.

Teehee. So do I.

True, greenleaf. Entirely true. I'm fourteen as well. I know she's a Tolkien bookie, and I've already told her that I agree with her taste in fiction. I get rather annoyed with Orlando freaks, but I'll go along with that.

True, I was out of line, but I was sort of baffled at her calling FML an ignorant child. FreeMarketLover is sometimes rather forceful, and cruelly blunt and in ways reminds me of my dad, but I just don't think ignorant child is the word for it.

I admit, I was slightly harsh. However, I just have to laugh at thought FML being an ignorant child.

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Vegan Lord: 14-year-old girl. Tries to threaten us with prospects of handing out vegetarian kits. Most likely a teeny-bopper who thinks that Orlando Bloom will somehow miraculously meet her, fall madly in love with her, sweep her off her feet and take her to his castle forever. Her heroes are people who make more money than should be legal by being recorded pretending.

Excuse me? That's not fair, or nice. I talked to Lord Nazgul and she's not a teeny-bopper. She belives in something and stands up for it. Let her be. I'm fourteen, too, and on YN I've been told I'm mature. Give Vegan a chance, or shut up. I've always gotten on well with you, hub, but this was way out of range of logic. You're assuming things, as well. Who the hell cares if she does like Orlando Bloom? She's a Tolkien bookie, too, btw. Just because you're a LOTR freak doesn't mean other people can't be too.

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This, coming from someone whos screen name is Vegan Lord of the Nazgul. OK dorksquad.

Well, name calling is sure mature.

Okay, let's put it this way.

Vegan Lord: 14-year-old girl. Tries to threaten us with prospects of handing out vegetarian kits. Most likely a teeny-bopper who thinks that Orlando Bloom will somehow miraculously meet her, fall madly in love with her, sweep her off her feet and take her to his castle forever. Her heroes are people who make more money than should be legal by being recorded pretending.

FML: 23-year-old newly-wed (I believe). His heroes are people who stood up for what they believed in, some even in the face of death. Thomas More, Alexander Hamilton, Abraham Lincoln. People who believed in something and stood up for it.

Who's the ignorant child?

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And again, trying to annoy me with that only shows that you're an immature kid.

This, coming from someone whos screen name is Vegan Lord of the Nazgul. OK dorksquad.

No, E.G., I wasn't referring to you about the emails.
Nature allows us to survive on a meat free diet, and we should follow that since we are able to. Our brain allows us the choice for alternatives.
FML, actually more less demand on meat products will raise their prices b/c they have to pay for the expenses. And again, trying to annoy me with that only shows that you're an immature kid.
WTF? I didn't email you, why email me back? You don't respect my beliefs, so don't expect me to let that go. Threatening me now? Yeah right, you can't do anything to me. I'm sorry you feel like resorting to threatening about something you won't do.

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I will not tolerate some of the hatemail I have recieved.(You know who you are. *glares*)

It's not really hate mail if you're the one bugging me.

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We as humans DO have a choice. We have the technology to do so.

Oh, Nature. She gave omnivorous apes a large brain that allowed them to kill more efficiently. Nature's a b*tch.

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You insulted me and my beliefs

Excuse me?

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That email was entirely unnecessary.

Could be worse.

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I do it for the animals, b/c they're suffering, and it breaks my heart knowing that.

Too. Bad.

I'm gonna have to go with FML on this one, the more you annoy me, the more meat I'll eat. I usually don't eat meat very often, so you really screwed up.

Oooh, veggie starter kits. I'm so scared. You can be a veg if you want but I don't want to hear about it. So unless you give me one, I don't care. Please give some kits out. More vegetarians means less demand and lower pricies on tasty cow flesh for me. I think I'll make the next one veal. Maybe some live cut rocky mountain oysters.

That's 24 vegetarian starter kits I'll be handing out tommorrow thanks to the immaturity of FML b/c he has nothing better to do with his life than make failed attempts to annoy me.
Good night, may the bed bugs bite.

Eight more cuts of dead beef flesh being purchased by me, thanks for the posts VeganLordOfTheDorkSquad. I always like a reason to buy and eat more tasty, satisfying beef.

Ok, you know what? I won't email you, I'll just post it here. That email was entirely unnecessary. I don't try to change people for me, that is downright ridiculous. I do it for the animals, b/c they're suffering, and it breaks my heart knowing that. You complain to me about being offensive and selfish, take a look at yourself!
You know why I try to 'change' people? The same reason a person tries to get a person to stop drinking or abusing a child! B/c I care.

Obviously you can't answer my question then, otherwise you would have answered to me directly. I will not tolerate some of the hatemail I have recieved.(You know who you are. *glares*)
I have a lot to say, but why should I bother if no one will listen?
Some animals need to eat meat, they have no choice. We as humans DO have a choice. We have the technology to do so.
I never intended to **** you off, nor do I care. You insulted me and my beliefs, and for that I will work even harder to spread my message.

Pathetic. I thought you were one of those rare newbies that actually had something to say, but if you've decided we not worth it because *gasp* we eat meat, well, that's your failing. Have fun. Loser.

Thanks for pissing me off, VeganLord. I'm going to the grocery store to pick up some ribs and beef liver.

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No animal HAS to die for us.

No animal has to die for the wolves either. If all animals and humans are equal, why is it ok for bears and wolves to tear a moose to shreds while it's still alive and kicking, but it's wrong for humans to do the same thing, without the being eaten alive part. That makes no sense.

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I know enough natural history, and nothing can answer my question.

Obviously you don't.

Saes, do not leave! C'mon, give them a chance. Visit some of the other boards. Actually, most of the vegans/veges get run off, so please don't go. Anyways, as I said, I understand why people eat them, I just wish the animals didn't have to have such horrible lives before they were killed. If it were more humane, there wouldn't be as much of a problem, althought I still wouldn't eat them.

So? Just b/c we've done something doesn't mean it's ok to continue. Things change all the time.
Death is a part of life, I know that, but that is no reason to kill an animal. We shouldn't be what decides their fate. No animal HAS to die for us.
I know enough natural history, and nothing can answer my question. Cows, dogs, pigs, humans are all equal.
To me, they shouldn't have to die at all b/c of us. I would respect someone who ate both dogs and cows more than someone that ate only cows. It sounds odd but I feel that if you cannot eat a dog then you shouldn't eat a cow. Although you shouldn't eat either at all.
I guess I'll be leaving the boards. I can't believe some of the people here.

Le Suilon, VeganLordoftheNazgul. I must say, your posts are extremly convincing (more so than smart comments), but if you use the logic "why are dogs better than cows" it breaks down into "Well, if we can't eat cows, let's just fix the problem by eating both of them." The problem with the whole animal deal (and I am vegetarian, very pro-vegetarian), is that (as with all issues) there are so many ways to look at it. I don't mind people eating meet, I just think that the animals' living conditions before they die should be better.

Oh, and congrats with Bella. She absolutly scared me my first few weeks on here. She likes to bug people. Don't you, Bella? lol

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Why is the cow any different?

Cows were bred for the sole purpose of feeding humans. When nomadic human tribes began settling down, they'd gather wild beasts and domesticate them for their use. If you released a cow into the wild, it would never survive for long, because we've bred most of their natural wild instincts out of them.

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You may be happy sitting there, but the cow isn't.

That is life. Death is a part of life. Some must die, so that others can live. That is the problem with humans, they can't accept that any more. There are crazy people who come up to Alaska wanting to destroy all the bears and wolves because they think it's mean of them to attack and eat baby moose. I'm sure baby moose aren't happy either, but that's too bad.

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I cannot understand why someone can love a companion animal like a dog, and think nothing of the cow or pig

Learn some natural history and you'll see why.

But, WHY? Why is the cow any different? Why don't you question the system? WHy do you think it's ok? Out of all the questions that fill my mind, these are some of the questions that bothers me the most b/c no one seems to care. You may be happy sitting there, but the cow isn't. Neither am I, and I suppose I never will be. I cannot understand why someone can love a companion animal like a dog, and think nothing of the cow or pig.

Of course women were put on Earth for men! They can't do anything else right.

Just kidding. I have no idea why some animals are bred for food and others for pets. But then, I have nothing against that system, and thus do not question it. I'm perfectly happy sitting on my couch with a dog on my lap and a hamburger in my hand as opposed to a cow on my lap and a dogburger in my hand.