I will admit that I am not a vegatarian. When I have a choice, I usually eat low on the food chain, but I do eat meat on occasion. My main issue with it isn't so much animal rights (though I am concerned about cows being brutally slaughtered) as it is with generically modified corn, hormones/steroids, pesiticides and fetilizer on corn, deforestation to build farms, animal waste polluting waterways, and that meat eaters get raised up one trophic level, thus requiring that 10 times as much corn be produced to feed the cows to feed the humans than if we just gave the corn to the people.

Ah, a gerneralization of the entire population. I see.

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What's funny, is I've never said any of that.

That was directed at all vegetarians.

What's funny, is I've never said any of that. I believe animals should be protected, yes. I believe urban sprawl is bad, yes. I am an extremist? No. I don't care if you eat meat. I just don't want to. Wow, my damn mind's still in my head. No way.

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I think you are thinking of missblake.

Whatever.

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EarthGoddess, this "stupid vegetarian" would love to hear the facts that would blow my "damn mind."

Alrighty. First of all, stop whining about meat being bad for the environment. Your very existence is bad for the environment. In order for you to live comfortably on planet Earth, animals must die. Do you live in a house, an apartment, a duplex, etc? Lots and lots of animals died in the making of your home. Do you go to the mall, school, restaurants, grocery stores? Even more animals died in the making of those buildings that you use. Animals died in the making of the streets you walk and drive on. Do you have any idea how much water you use a year? This includes the water you drink, the water you use to brush your teeth, to flush a toilet, to wash a car, to wash dishes, to take a bath or shower, to wash your clothes, to bathe your pets, to water your lawn, to cook, and the thousands of gallons water that is needed to create enough power in your house to allow you to turn on your computer, connect to the internet and post on Youthnoise. Plus, there's the ungodly amounts of water it takes for your car to get built and to keep it running. Oh, and lets not forget the tiny little detail about how much water plants need. All of the veggies and fruits you see at the grocery store had to be washed, and lots and LOTS of water is needed to clean 50+ tons of vegetables and fruits. Eating meat adds very little to all of that.

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I would bring up facts to go against your bogus "facts", but I'm pretty sure it would blow your damn mind. I'll do it later.

When did I bring up any facts? I think you are thinking of missblake.

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I would bring up facts to go against your bogus "facts", but I'm pretty sure it would blow your damn mind. I'll do it later.

EarthGoddess, this "stupid vegetarian" would love to hear the facts that would blow my "damn mind." Asking questions does not require detaching mac's head from his/her body. Or mine for that matter.

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Somebody brings up a point and instead of arguing your point or even bringing up facts , you simply insult the poster? Sorry in my books that doesn't make you right.

I would bring up facts to go against your bogus "facts", but I'm pretty sure it would blow your damn mind. I'll do it later.

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Originally posted by EarthGoddess:
Stupid vegetarian.

Let me get this straight. Somebody brings up a point and instead of arguing your point or even bringing up facts , you simply insult the poster? Sorry in my books that doesn't make you right.

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I was driving down the highway and all the cows were making me hungry. It made me want to go kill one and eat it raw.

Mmmmmmmmm, dead flesh. I love cow liver best of all. Especially when it's slathered in gravy.

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And do you have any idea how crappy meat production is for the environment?

Stupid vegetarian.

This is a compilation of idiotic quotes.

"You say you don't eat beef. So that leaves fruits, vegetables, and other non-animal products, right? So how'd you feel if you were sitting there nice and happy and someone comes and yanks you off your stalk or out of the ground, throws you into a pot to cook, and eats you as a side dish? Well, if that doesn't work for you, then let me ask you this: what would you have us all do, give up our protein to eat fruits and plants? We'd all wither and die within a few months. Personally, I'll never give up a nice, juicy 2/3 pounder burger simply because someone yells "animal rights." Why else are they there? Not to sound inhumane, but most animals we eat are bred only for us to eat."

A lot of people get too much protein. It's how you get fat. Plants contain protein. Would you like to meet my friend, Mr. or Mrs., we're not really sure, Tofu? And who says vegetables could only be side dishes? And there are other reasons for vegetarianism than animal rights, though why someone could ignore living beings' right to live, just like everyone else is beyond me... Back to the other reasons for vegetarianism. Red meat is really bad for you. A lot of religions involve vegetarianism, because of "Thou shalt not kill" and the whole thing about eating dead animal tissue supports their murder. And do you have any idea how crappy meat production is for the environment? Oh, and I just HATE it when people think animals' only reason for existance is to taste deliscous(sp?) with buttered biscuits tonight at the dinner table. It's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. (Actually, it's a really big tie, but you get the point). Just because some big meanie's intention is to slaughter that cute little calf when it gets bigger (or not, anyone heard of veal? It's horrible.) when they try and get the cow and bull together does not mean that that cow's one purpose in the world is really to be killed and eaten.

"We are a part of the food chain, so if we hunted our meat would that be OK. Would you like us to live in caves and grunt and wear loincloths. I bet you would, you seem to hate progress. The fact is, we aren't rounded up for consumption. You can use the "how would you like it if..." argument when it is possible that it could happen, i.e., "How would you like it if someone called you a mean name?" That works because it can happen, it is possible. It is not possible for us to be rounded up and have "our meat sold for consumption." You argument is illogical and stupid."

Yes, we are part of the food chain, but what does killing and eating our own kind have to do with that? And what does not supporting murder and pollution have to do with rejecting progress? And we COULD be rounded up and killed for consumption. Remember how a long time ago some Africans sold other Africans to Europeans to be used as slaves? I sure do. It was horrific. If something like that already happened, who's to say it couldn't happen again?

"Listen to Bushsupporters advice - he can teach you much."

I'm not even going to say anything.

"I don't find it to be murder, if you do so, there'll be plenty of murders everywhere. This would include carnivorous animals hunting other kinds. It's all part of the food chain, animals feed on others for survival. Either eat or be eaten. We humans are also animals too, we hunt to survival and made it all the way on the top of the list. You don't enjoy comsuming meat, that's fine with me, but please don't make a big deal out of how bad it is for us meat lovers."

No one was acting as if it was a big deal. Anyway, it's nearly impossible to actually be natural anymore, and it's almost as if we're not even part of the food chain anymore. We still are, but we can live without eating other animals. Note how we are able to digest both plants AND animals.

"The cow lived a natural, healthy life before it was made into food. And that's how all forms of food should live."

This isn't stupid, but you think that's how they should die?

"Organic food is idiotic."

How so? I see the black pot is calling the white kettle black...

"what i find funny about people saying eating meat is murder and all that jazz is that if you put them in a situation of starvation where they could either eat a nice big juicy steak or starve to death 99.9% of them would not have the discipline to turn the steak down. I bet on my life new world hippie would be part of the 99.9% too."

You probably haven't talked to many vegetarians. Most, probably all, agree that it is okay to eat meat if there is nothing else to eat.

"That's exactly what you do with VEGGIES! YOU COULD ALSO SAY THAT VEGETARIANISM IS MURDER!
How can you destroy helpless plants? They are nature's finest creation. They take toxins out of the atmosphere and create oxygen. They take sunlight and produce glucose. They even hold the soil together."

You know, plants can't think. At all.

"Hippie;If you really believe that than I have some questions:
The celebs you claim to like are not vegetarians. If you actually believe beef is murder than you are supporting murder which shows that you have no personal integrity."

This isn't really stupid, assuming there is some place where hippie says that he or she likes certain celebs. But if there isn't a place that says so, you can't assume that everyone likes celebs. Plus there are some celebs that are vegetarian. You can't assume that all celebs support murder.

"If you consider one minute, "quite the gap"."

It was four minutes, not one. The difference between 43 and 47 is 4. Looks like SOMEONE wasn't paying attention in class in 1st grade...

Mmmm... beef...
i like my steak pink on the inside, tender and juicy.
Now my mouth is watering :P

BBQ...Ribs.,..Steak...a good burger...my mouth is watering...BBQ soon...It's a good thing America became America!

I want a steak so badly right now. I was driving down the highway and all the cows were making me hungry. It made me want to go kill one and eat it raw. MMMMMMMMMMm, rare prime rib!

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Organic Beef is still dead. i mean, yeah, it had a good life, but it's still dead...

Don't let it go to waste then!

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Okay, that's possible, but still, it seemed to me that there was quite a gap.

If you consider one minute, "quite the gap".

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Originally posted by hubbabaloo:
READ OTHER POSTS PLEASE!

Look at the times. Did it ever occur to you that I was writing my post while you posted yours?

Okay, that's possible, but still, it seemed to me that there was quite a gap.

Well, I learned that from my 16-year-old sister who has been thinking about culinary school.

Because that's what they're called. Should I be asking you why you call hamburgers that? Because that's what they're called. Duh.

And hubbabaloo, French fries were indeed originally French. Not the ones we know of now, but the original French fried potatoes. The french liked their potatoes cut extremely thin and boiled in oil. So Americans called them French fried potatoes. And out of that came the fried potato chip. No idea how sticks of fried potato became known as French fries, though. Maybe you're right about the "French cut" bit. I wouldn't know.

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Originally posted by hubbabaloo:
READ OTHER POSTS PLEASE!

Look at the times. Did it ever occur to you that I was writing my post while you posted yours?