I think you misunderstand what it means to be forced...

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Seriously, if you agree that chickens don't need protection, you weren't forced to agree with BS

Actually I am, because I agree completly iwth everything he has said on his board.

Forced to agree? Did BS threaten you with bodily harm if you spoke your mind?

Seriously, if you agree that chickens don't need protection, you weren't forced to agree with BS. You simply disagree with those who somehow think animals need rights.

I am forced to agree with Bushsupporter. Until animals draft their bill of rights and we recognize those rights they will not have a legal leg to stand on. The more important issue here is the return of FreeMarketLover. Who would have ever guessed that such a topic would produce one of the most enlightened minds in history? I have not seen FreeMarketLover since he accompanied me to Talledega where we were invited to victory lane to help celebrate.

True.

But seriously. Chickens are like one of the dumbest animals on the planet.

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As soon as chickens draft a bill of rights

Remember the NDLC?

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I guess I don't understand why people who hate KFC aren't complaining about the other chicken chains in America.

Niether do I.

As soon as chickens draft a bill of rights, tell us that they no longer want to be eaten, and take up arms to defend that bill of rights, I will continue to eat them happily.

I guess I don't understand why people who hate KFC aren't complaining about the other chicken chains in America.

We've earned the right to be speciesist. Top of the food chain, remember?

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Is there any way of truly knowing whether another being understands pain unless you were that being yourself? (or unless the other being could tell you so) Does an infant or a mentally-disabled person "understand" pain like the rest of humanity? Like I said here before, you don't have to understand pain in order to feel it, and since there isn't really any way of knowing for sure whether one animal or another can "understand" pain, I say to watch their visual cues (i.e., how they react to pain) and give them the necessary benefit of the doubt.

I don't give them the benefit of the doubt.

As I've said before, you need to understand pain, to really feel it's effects. Even though they react to pain, do they remember it? Do they remember in it clearly, and in detail? Do they remember each agonizing moment? Unless you can prove to me they do, I have no reason to believe they do.

Infants and the Mentally-Disabled are humans. They're part of my own species. You can argue that's being "Speicist" or whatever. I'm not going to argue that point. They're my homeboys. And I rep my species yo'. Supremacy, if you will. An infant can grow into something that has the ability to understand pain. A chicken on the other hand, can't. (Within a reasonable amount of uncertainity. I understand that one day, we could sprout a chicken that can do long division. In the future. The odds of it are unlikely though). The mentally disabled? Well, they're also my homeboys. The mentally disabled, can atleast remember pain, and with percision, granted they don't have a mental disease that prevents them from rmeembering anything. Even if they do, I'd argue they are still human, and deserve respect purely for the fact, they are human. A chicken, on the other hand, is a chicken.

I seem to have lost track of this one...

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Look a chicken is an animal dumb enough to eat its own s**t ok? A chicken has no other purpose than to be eaten.

Huh, my family has chickens and I don't recall them ever eating their own feces willingly (admittedly, they peck at chicken cat food sometimes, which is humorous and disgusting at the same time ), only factory farmed chickens are made to eat filth such as that (it's referred to as "chicken litter" and is reused in livestock feed, among other things...ick). And humans domesticated chickens from the red jungle fowl, so who's to say what their original purpose was?

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For the record Pam Anderson needs to shut her mouth and make a new home video.

Does the idea of a pretty girl speaking her mind threaten you in some way?

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Let's talk about understanding pain.
If I poke a fish with a tazer. It may feel pain.
But does it actually under stand it? Does it have the mental capacity to understand what is happening to it, past anything that is a small evolutionary-based event. It may seem cruel, I don't perticularily care. As long as it doesn't understand, I don't see how it actually effects the fish. They can feel pain, and they can react, sure. But that's just it, all they are doing is reacting.

Is there any way of truly knowing whether another being understands pain unless you were that being yourself? (or unless the other being could tell you so) Does an infant or a mentally-disabled person "understand" pain like the rest of humanity? Like I said here before, you don't have to understand pain in order to feel it, and since there isn't really any way of knowing for sure whether one animal or another can "understand" pain, I say to watch their visual cues (i.e., how they react to pain) and give them the necessary benefit of the doubt.

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Compare a cat's cleanliness to a chicken.

How about a dog's? Or a rat's? (Rats groom themselves in a way similar to cats) Come on, let's not get speciesist here. Yes, cows stink, but that doesn't mean they should be mistreated and forced to live in their own filth so they stink more.

The reason why dogs and cats and other household pets are preferred over animals like pigs and chickens and cows amounts to just a little more than intelligence. Not only are most animals stupid, but they are also very unclean.

Compare a cat's cleanliness to a chicken. There is no comparison, as most cats have a high sense of self-cleanliness, while chickens could care less. That's why only 'neat' animals are kept as pets, for the most part. That and chicken just tastes good. But frying chicken is almost as inhumane an act as slaughtering them, what a perfectly horrible way to waste chicken. The only way to appreciate good chicken is charcoal-fueled barbecue with several types of hot sauces.

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Originally posted by Slewinca:

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Unless you can prove to me that a chicken can understand the whole concept of pain and reaction, and that it's life is going to amount to anything more then repetitive tasks, I'm not going stop eating my chicken.

What do you mean by the first one, "understand the whole concept of pain and reaction"? You don't have to have a psychology or a biology degree in order to feel pain and suffer, so that doesn't really make much sense. And the second one, dogs and cats might not have that ability either, but that doesn't mean we should eat them, right? Besides, I think when it comes to animals who can obviously feel pain and suffer from it that it's best to give them the benefit of the doubt when it comes to the other stuff (intelligence and such).
What you don't know about chickens may surprise you: The Hidden Lives of Chickens

There are more reasons not to go to KFC other than the animal one.
The environment:
http://www.greenpeace.org/international/press/releases/...d-for-trashing-the-a
http://www.greenpeace.org/international/news/kfc-180506
And your health: http://www.cspinet.org/new/200606121.html

In summary; KFC sucks.

OH SNAP! LETS ROLL!

Let's talk about understanding pain.
If I poke a fish with a tazer. It may feel pain.
But does it actually under stand it? Does it have the mental capacity to understand what is happening to it, past anything that is a small evolutionary-based event. It may seem cruel, I don't perticularily care. As long as it doesn't understand, I don't see how it actually effects the fish. They can feel pain, and they can react, sure. But that's just it, all they are doing is reacting.

Some say I'm inhumane. Damn straight.
Humanity is stupid.
Chickens are stupider.
So stupid, I doubt they can truely understand what pain is.
So until you can prove to me they can understand pain, I will eat my damn chicken, and like it.

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Originally posted by Holliewood:
Dammit why does chick-fil-a have to be closed on Sundays?

Does chik-fil-a torture chickens to?

Dammit why does chick-fil-a have to be closed on Sundays?

If I can't see it, it's not there. Ignorance is bliss...

Does torturing chickens make them taste better? If it does than by all means! Look a chicken is an animal dumb enough to eat its own s**t ok? A chicken has no other purpose than to be eaten. For the record Pam Anderson needs to shut her mouth and make a new home video.

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Originally posted by clpo13:
Not as many unidentifiable things in ground beef.

Or else it's just ground up so you can't tell

My theory on the whole health issue is that it seems that one way or another according to someone the world is ending. Wheather it be fast food, the Appocolyps (sp), or global warming, I figure we might as well enjoy it while it last.

Well of course KFC is bad for your health. Not only is it fast food, but it's fried chicken. Double whammy.

But people don't care. It tastes good, so they eat it, regardless of health, environmental, or ethical concerns.

I don't care because...I don't care. I'm not weak-minded, I just don't care. But as I said earlier, I don't like KFC that much. Chicken is...kinda gross. I prefer beef. Not as many unidentifiable things in ground beef.

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Unless you can prove to me that a chicken can understand the whole concept of pain and reaction, and that it's life is going to amount to anything more then repetitive tasks, I'm not going stop eating my chicken.

What do you mean by the first one, "understand the whole concept of pain and reaction"? You don't have to have a psychology or a biology degree in order to feel pain and suffer, so that doesn't really make much sense. And the second one, dogs and cats might not have that ability either, but that doesn't mean we should eat them, right? Besides, I think when it comes to animals who can obviously feel pain and suffer from it that it's best to give them the benefit of the doubt when it comes to the other stuff (intelligence and such).
What you don't know about chickens may surprise you: The Hidden Lives of Chickens

There are more reasons not to go to KFC other than the animal one.
The environment:
http://www.greenpeace.org/international/press/releases/...d-for-trashing-the-a
http://www.greenpeace.org/international/news/kfc-180506
And your health: http://www.cspinet.org/new/200606121.html

In summary; KFC sucks.