Rugar, that made you sound extremly unintelligent.

*bows* Why thank you, Slew. You rock, as well.

Whatever

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Actually vegetarians aren't very healthy.



If stupidity were a body of water.... You'd be the fucking Pacific.

YES! THANK YOU!!! *claps*

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Actually we are suppose to eat animals. If we weren't then they wouldn't of been created.

Like every animal on the planet is edible Without getting into kosher laws, some animals we obviously cannot eat or make much use of. Like mosquitoes, we can't eat them, make them plow fields or pull carts or whatever. In fact, they have been quite harmful to mankind. What then, rugar? Should we start eating mosquitoes now to give them a purpose?

Check out these guys and tell me they're unhealthy: http://www.idausa.org/vegandays/famous_bodies.html And those are just the vegans! Here are some more vegetarian and vegan athletes:

Carl Lewis, "Olympian of the Century", Olympic medalist in track.
Ruth Heidrich, Ironman triathlete, age-group record holder.
Martina Navratilova, tennis champion.
Desmond Howard, Heisman trophy winner.
Stan Price, world-record holder in bench press.
Bill Walton, NBA Hall of Famer.
Phoebe Mills, Olympic medal-winning gymnast.
Billie Jean King, tennis champion.
Bill Manetti, powerlifting champion.
Bill Pearl, four-time Mr. Universe and bodybuilder.
Al Oerter, discus thrower and winner of four Olympic gold medals.
Keith Holmes, WBC World Middleweight Champion.
Robert Parish, one of the NBA's "50 Greatest Players".
Jack LaLanne, fitness legend and media star.
Edwin Moses, two-time Olympic Gold medalist in hurdles.

I bet some of those people would be willing to kick your ass to prove that vegetarians/vegans are healthy, including me

Greenleaf, you rock

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Actually vegetarians aren't very healthy.

I'm healthy.

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Actually vegetarians aren't very healthy.

If stupidity were a body of water.... You'd be the fucking Pacific.

Yes, please die.

"Wouldn't HAVE"... you asinine conservo-Christian. Die!

Actually vegetarians aren't very healthy.

Actually we are suppose to eat animals. If we weren't then they wouldn't of been created.

Deer meat is pretty good. Deer burgers are the best. I think they are better than beef burgers.

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Because of sin in this world there will always be the eating of animals, infact God relized that humans as a result of sin needed to have meat in their diet and so therefore institued it into, actually killing the first animal with his own hands!

Maybe not. http://www.all-creatures.org/hr/hrafall.htm I assume you're referring to Genesis 3:21, which does not mention killing any animal, just the words "coats of skin". It is merely an assuption that an animal was killed to make the "coats of skin".
I see you are new to this thread, so please see the following:

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For those who are new to this thread/subject, I suggest that they take a look at some of the following websites (the better ones are near the top):

http://www.christianveg.com
http://www.jesusveg.com
http://www.jewishveg.com
http://www.all-creatures.org
http://www.all-creatures.org/hr
http://www.all-creatures.org/discuss/svtmeat.html
http://www.fundforanimals.org/library/documentViewer.as...=640&table=documents
http://fund.org/library/documentViewer.asp?ID=641
http://fundforanimals.org/library/documentViewer.asp?ID=642
http://hometown.aol.com/arbiblebites
http://www.thenazareneway.com/index_vegetarian.htm
http://www.compassionatespirit.com/was_jesus_a_vegetarian.htm
http://all-creation.franciscan-anglican.com/
http://www.soystache.com/jesus.htm

Thank you.

Wow! I hate to disagree but here I am doing just that! I am a vegetarian which I enjoy being very much, I didn't become one because of the animal activist thing but because of the health benefits whihc are many as I see daily in my life! But by saying that all christians because of what christ did should become vegetarians is totally wrong! Because of sin in this world there will always be the eating of animals, infact God relized that humans as a result of sin needed to have meat in their diet and so therefore institued it into, actually killing the first animal with his own hands! Although God did put some limitations on what mean we could and couldn't eat found in Exodus 20, which I try to follow to the best of my ability. Now don't get me wrong in no way do I justify the way animals are being treated to mass produce all the meat we eat now days, sadly this is a result of humans sinfulness, I believe it should be stopped but don't go so far as to say that all christians should be vegetarians or vegans. It is healthier but that choice has to come from each and every individual themselves, and not because they feel that God demands it of them because he most definately does not!

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Wow, this is new

No. Believe me: It's extremely old.

Your arguing about Christians being vegans? Wow, this is new.

I don't think many people would agree with you, though you have a point. And even though I am a vegetarian, I don't agree with you. The words a pothead said a few thousand years ago shouldn't regulate how you live your life.

Christians who eat animals are not disobeying God in anyway. Most of us love animals and even those who love animals still eat them.

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That is the mentality of a scavenger. Go on and eat your carcass, vulture.

That's an insult to scavengers, Miss Animal-lover. Scavengers are probably the most important animals on the face of the Earth. But hey, if you want to call us vultures for liking dead animal for dinner, so be it, cow.

If it were possible for me to go out and attack and kill a full grown bull moose and eat it raw, I would. I'd eat that horse in your avatar, too.

I guess I haven't been here in a while, have I? I guess I've been pre-occupied with Care2 (http://www.care2.com) lately. It's nice to know that at least one active member here doesn't hate my guts

Good to see you back encyclowinca. Haven't seen you around these parts in a while.

Oh yeah, I've been meaning to respond to this:

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it seems like the whole thing with Jesus-saving-you-no-matter-what-sin-you-commit-as-long-as-you-believe thing kind of accomodates sin, does it not?

"Jesus didn’t die on the cross to condone our sins; He died on the cross to forgive our sins. There will be no forgiveness of sin until the man repents of his sins."
-John Kilpatrick

I also have a quote:
"Be a sinner and sin vigorously; but even more vigorously believe and delight in Christ who is victor over sin, death and the world....It is insufficient that we recognize through the wealth of God's glory the lamb who bears the sins of the world; from this sin does not sever us, even if thousands, thousands of times in one day we should fornicate or murder"
- Martin Luther (letter to Philip Melanchthon, August 1, 1521)
Now I've never heard of the guy you quoted, but I have heard of Martin Luther. Care to explain that?

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does anyone realize that plants our gods creations too?

Do they have nervous systems and brains that would permit them to feel pain and suffer? No. Animals can feel pain and suffer just like humans, and surely God does not want His creations to suffer.

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i mean i can understand being pissed at the guy that kicks his dog but to stop eating meat entirely because you think it will save animals(when they are still going to be killed whether YOU decide to eat them or not) is just crazy.

Should we get any less mad if the person is beating a pig rather than a dog? It's about being totally against animal abuse.
Have you ever heard of supply-and-demand? Meaning, the less meat people buy, the less animals will be killed to meet demand. Get it?
By your reasoning, boycotts shouldn't work. That's what vegetarianism/veganism practically is, a boycott. A boycott against cruelty.

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Besides, the Lion and Lamb means that no one will hate anyone else. No offense, but what Reverend Andrew Linzey says, isn't Christian Doctrine. In fact, I believe that most of his words are not inspired by the Lord. They mostly say what the congregation their talking to wants to hear.

Well excuse me, but isn't anyone free to interpret what the bible says in whatever way they see fit? That may be one meaning of the Isaiah verse, but is it the only one? It could have multiple meanings as Andrew Linzey suggests.

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God sent animals down here for a reason,to eat them,

Can you give me an exact verse on that, please?

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why else would they be here expecially deer because if people didn't eat deer there would be more deer population than people population.

Read Genesis 1:18 and 1:19. Obviously, animals were created so man would not be alone. And in the vegetarian (and possibly vegan) garden of Eden, this seems like a logical conclusion.
And the reason why deer are overpopulated is because of humans. Humans greatly decreased the populations of the deer's predators, and tore down the forests in which the deer lived, so the deer have no choice but to cross roads and eat the plants in people gardens.

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In plus if there already dead than why not eat them?

That is the mentality of a scavenger. Go on and eat your carcass, vulture.

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It says in the Bible that Gos gave us animals so we could eat them.

Again, please give me an exact verse on that.

Oh, and by the way, the Christian Vegetarian Association has changed their website, I suggest you check it out: http://www.christianveg.com

oh...right.

YWHW (or Yahweh) was the Hebrew name for God.

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Originally posted by clpo13:
Christ was a title, not a name. The dude's name was Yeshua (or Jesus for you Greek-lovers). Christ is merely the title that was given to him. Means "chosen one" or something of the sort. Kind of like Messiah, which means "anointed one". So, Christianity stems from that title. Had it come from his name, you'd be a Jesusite. Also, I believe I've said it before, but Jesus didn't start Christianity. He was a Jew through and through. He just had a few different ideas about public relations. It was the early Church (started by Paul, James the Just, and Peter) that created Christianity.

Everything you said was right except what his anme was. his name had no vowels in it. and the pronounciation is unknown. it is thought to be pronounced yahweh, but i forgot how to spell it, it's like YWHW or something like that.

It says in the Bible that Gos gave us animals so we could eat them.