You may be interested to know, bren, that the biggest reason for deforestation of the rainforest in Brazil is soybean farms. Not animal farms; soybeans. As in the bean used to make tofu, among other vegetarian and vegan foods.

Ironic, isn't it?

well recently i decided to be ovo-lactovegetarian for many reasons
1. i love animals, and i dont wanna eat anything that used to have a mind and could feel pain.
2. there are many starving people in the world, and eating meat is using up the crops that we could be feeding to them.
3. trees are being cut down so there is land for farms, and we need trees to store carbon dioxide, which plays a big part in global warming.

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eating meat is causing deforestation faster than anything else in the world.

No. The fact that I always loose papers (Vocab lists, Periodic Tables, Formual sheets, ect) and have to ask for more is the main cause of deforestation. I have killed countless trees with my disorganization and poor memory.

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a four year old child

you need to meet more children if you think that's a good case for intelligence and in fact there's evidence that humans don't develop mentally as in with full use of the brain with things like knowledge and memorey till around age ten, till then we're not much different from animals acting off of a combo instinct and learned behaviour we pick up from our folks

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By becoming vegan, you are lowering your heart attack danger level by over 60%and your risk for cancer dramatically

your statistics fail with out actual studies to back them up miss and all stats fail to start with so try again

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eating meat is causing deforestation faster than anything else in the world.

wrong hunting (followed by the eating) of wild game is actually keeping the natural balance so beloved by ecologists and veggies alike. We're keeping grazing animal populations down which is actual contributing to keeping the forests as health as they are

Moved to a more appropriate board. Carry on.

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but they were given to us, so we can eat them.

What? What makes you so special?

We eat animals because they taste good, just like you eat whatever it is you eat.

If I had to I would eat my dog and my turtle, but I don't.

Now I do eat deer and rabbit and they are actually very good.

Yes, I do feel sorry for the animals, but they were given to us, so we can eat them.

Now I don't believe that you should hunt animals just for fun, I mean just kill them and then leave them for the birds and all kinds of stuff to eat them or killing an animal just for one part of the animal. I believe if you kill an animal then you should eat if not all, then most of it.

Ok, every vegan is not stupid so please dont steriotype us. I know what Im doing and the effects it has on my body and social life*cant eat out at restaurants* but overall, i dont se how a diet can make me stupid. And if you truely love nature, eating meat is causing deforestation faster than anything else in the world. Humanitarian? The grain used to feed animals used for slaughter alone could end world hunger.
Health freak?(dont mean it offensively, Im one to!) By becoming vegan, you are lowering your heart attack danger level by over 60%and your risk for cancer dramatically. (with a healthy vegan diet ofcourse)
Animal rights activist? the argument for that is pretty obvious.
with love,
vegan

OH MY GOSH! Please, everyone, read what you have written! Everyone is acting so closed-minded. Vegans to meat-eaters, meat-eaters to vegans. Can please just cool off and actually hear what each side has to say? Were not going to have and better understanding of the other side if we dont consider their argument.*Argument time* Animals arent stupid. A pig is as smart as a four year old child and smarter than dogs. I dont eat animals or animal products because they dont want to die/be tortured just like you. And please, please dont make up "facts" because you might feel guilty. Thats not fair for any of us.

i agree with you 110 percent man. i swear, people these days seriously don't care about anything. i heard they're cutting down tons of trees so they can make space for their cattle, and even then, they're gonna treat them bad. im thinkin about being a vegetarian. not all the way though, just prob gonna eat organic meat. i jut wanted to say yea, people these days only care about money, money, and more freakin money.

Well since benji probably isn't regularly checking this thread, I'll pose the question to the general population of yn. What about wild meat? They aren't mistreated before they're killed.

VeganCath your thoughts are facinating and I would so much like to talk and further explore your personal views. Please make an effort to contact me.
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it's great to see you have so much passion benjilover, however can i reccomend that shouting out online, as great as it is, isn't helping the animals.
You need to take your anger, get out on the street and shout it, outisde your pet shops, outside labs.

I understand you live in Canada?
there are a lot of animal rights groups, have a look around and join a few and take action, keep your passion.


Shouting at people on a forum about animal rights generally only gets you wonderfully witty responses such as "why do people eat chickens/pigs - because they're tasty"

you see?
Discuss and debate
never shout
then you automatically put the other person in a defensive sort of state.


As for the Environment cause, If you care about the environment you are incredibly hypocritical if you do not also care about animals, Factory Farming is one of the worst causes of damage to the environment.

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Ok good, I didn't think you were but you'd be amazed some of the stuff people post on here. I'm still going to have to say that I don't see it as hypocritical though; how's a plant to know it's being eaten? No brain, no pain... I don't get that.

But thats just it right . I said I feel sad watching a big tree get cut down as much as i would watching an animal suffer . Thats what i meant by hypocrutical . If we are sad bout the animals suffering its empathy right im just saying that my empathy extends to the plants as well..

About the new member thing ...i was on YN for quite sometime just havent posted in about 3 months so started a new account . So i wasnt too sure bout posting on the new member thing ...

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Originally posted by conflictingzest:

Also, what fo you care if they suffer? they're pretty much dead? that's there whole reason for being alive, to die, so why make it happy for them? they won't appreciate it, it won't make it taste any better. so who cares?

I wouldn't care if ppl tortured me then ate me because i was too stupid to do anything about it or know the difference.

Animals are delicious, they don't care how you treat them, STOP WRITING IN ALL CAPS, learn how to make an actual, propper, argument.

A) Please enlighten me as to how animals are "pretty much dead" any more than humans?
B) Animals feel pain. End of story. Sure maybe they don't say "Oh wow, this dude is torturing me" but they feel pain.
C) Animals most certainly do care how you treat them. Have you ever been around an abused animal?

animal activists hurt my brain. They are filled with some rediculous arguments. From the stats i've heard their are more animals injured in farming plants than those mistreaed in the food process.

Also, what fo you care if they suffer? they're pretty much dead? that's there whole reason for being alive, to die, so why make it happy for them? they won't appreciate it, it won't make it taste any better. so who cares?

Also I would eat my dog or cat if i was hungry enough and there was no other food around. What do i care, i'm more important than my dog. My dog isn't going to do anything for the world.

I wouldn't care if ppl tortured me then ate me because i was too stupid to do anything about it or know the difference.

Animals are delicious, they don't care how you treat them, STOP WRITING IN ALL CAPS, learn how to make an actual, propper, argument.

Ok good, I didn't think you were but you'd be amazed some of the stuff people post on here. I'm still going to have to say that I don't see it as hypocritical though; how's a plant to know it's being eaten? No brain, no pain... I don't get that.

Anyway, yeah we are pretty good a messing up the natural balance of things and then making them worse when we try to fix it. Australia anyone?

By the way, welcome to YN. You should go to the Randomostiy section and find a thread that's titled something like "New to this site? CLICK HERE!"

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Um, just checking, but you're not serious about the vegetables thing are you?

Nah not serious . Just tryin to point out how silly the argument sounds sometimes .

But yeah i still think its hypocritical . Even if you do say that animals can feel pain and plants cant .

We're not better than animals we're much worse atleast as a part of the food chain they controle and balance something . We're pretty much useless in that way.

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Horselover ....about the getting things right . Man is'nt considered to be a part of any ecological food chain .........atleast thats what we were taught ..... man through his own efforts has disassociated himself from all food chains .

I'm aware that we aren't technically part of the ecological food chain anymore. I personally don't think we're any better than animals however, and plus I wasn't being entirely serious there.

Um, just checking, but you're not serious about the vegetables thing are you?

I agree with the rest of your post though, people can be amazingly selective about what they see for the sole reason that they don't want to give up to many comforts.

Horselover ....about the getting things right . Man is'nt considered to be a part of any ecological food chain .........atleast thats what we were taught ..... man through his own efforts has disassociated himself from all food chains .

And about the eating animals ....if you dont eat them coz they are mistreated ...then stop eatin vegetables too coz you have no idea how badly the plants are treated . And the cutting of a plant makes me as sad as the killing of an animal . And if you eat plants but you wont eat animals coz these guys have a brain then its being kinda hypocritical isnt it ...they're living things too .

And as far as ive seen ...we dont really get that much beef here but the poultry farms are literally production houses ....and as efficiently maintained .The health of a chicken is in the best interest of everybody .

ofcourse if some idiot mistreats the animals then it should be punishable offense ....fight for that ....fight for not having cosmetics tested on animals ...not having them as collectibles ...stop the domestication of more and more species of animals ....

incidently if you think meathouses mistreat animals then you better stop drinking milk ...stop having sandwiches or anything else with butter ...no more icecreams no more cheese ...no pizzas . Coz the Dairy Cows and Buffaloes are mistreated too .

Oooh and stop takin medicines when you are sick coz they've been tested on animals .....

I didnt mean to sound so ....rude but seriously save the environment but be realistic about it .