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Picture of johnv
Registered: January 28, 2008
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President Obama’s economic stimulus package invests in green businesses and initiatives with the goal of creating new jobs. It’s clear though that the U.S. is well behind other nations. How can we meet Obama’s challenge?
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Didn't the money that went to the countries go to the missiles that bombed Israel?


Money to Palestine is part or a relief effort. It is aid to victims of the attacks in Dec/Jan. Since we do not live in a perfect world and there is a possibility that some money will fall into the wrong hands, many efforts are being taken to ensure this will not happen. However money given to Israel, which is a lot more, goes directly to the Israeli government as financial aid. Also, Israel is the only country which receives financial that does not have to present a plan of how the money will be spent nor is it accountable for how it is spent. Meaning take the money and dont tell us what you do with it. This is the only way the US wont be officially accountable for financing settlements on occupied terrorities or financing weaponry used by Israel, such as white phosphorus.
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Registered: December 18, 2005
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you should read this and then repost


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Registered: March 06, 2009
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hey guys i've been gone for a while. I seem to have mis-understood some things. I understand that Hamas isn't going to attack and that their are more than the U.S's side to this problem. I still disagree with Obama but then again I'm free to. Didn't the money that went to the countries go to the missiles that bombed Israel? Just wanna kno. I can see where ur country would call them terrorists cause i still think poorly of them. Perhaps u can actually do the letters though. I would love to see Palastine showered with letters of apologies and other things. I feel bad I judge much to quickly. Oh well I guess it's just another flaw I need to fix


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You do understand that in no way was I serious. Obviously, America is going to have to interact with other countries, duh.

Way to double post.


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Registered: January 14, 2009
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Originally posted by Wolfie:
yeah, it's something I've been wanting to do for a couple years now.

maybe i could get some educated people to do this with me and then the whole middle east will be swarmed with apology/friendship letters from america.

That's a great idea, and by the way wolfie I know we often have conflicting views on things, but I just want to say that doesn't mean we have to dislike one another, I just want to say this because I like to debate and sometimes can be seen the wrong way by that, so I was just making sure there was nothing personal about the different views.



maybe then they'll not be as supportive of extremist people who really, really hate america. lol


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Registered: January 14, 2009
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Originally posted by Wolfie:
yeah, it's something I've been wanting to do for a couple years now.

maybe i could get some educated people to do this with me and then the whole middle east will be swarmed with apology/friendship letters from america.
That's a great idea, and by the way wolfie I know we often have conflicting views on things, but I just want to say that doesn't mean we have to dislike one another, I just want to say this because I like to debate and sometimes can be seen the wrong way by that, so I was just making sure there was nothing personal about the different views.
maybe then they'll not be as supportive of extremist people who really, really hate america. lol


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Registered: January 14, 2009
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Originally posted by Wolfie:
i have a great idea.

america should just stop talking, giving money and/or interacting with all the other countries.

we should just live in a nice little isolated country.

That would make things much easier, but it isn't practical, at all. Go to almost any store and see how many products for practically anything are from out of the u.s. Here's a little hint almost all of them. We rely on foreign nations now. Much of what our money is worth relies on foreign investors. Again, I agree with that but it's way too late to start that now. Washington's advice wasn't payed enough attention to when he warned us against two things in his farewell address, 1. don't become to attached to foreign nations, 2. don't have a party system.


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Registered: December 18, 2005
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yeah, it's something I've been wanting to do for a couple years now.

maybe i could get some educated people to do this with me and then the whole middle east will be swarmed with apology/friendship letters from america.

maybe then they'll not be as supportive of extremist people who really, really hate america. lol


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Registered: April 21, 2008
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Its alright wolfie, its not your fault haha.

The letter sounds like a good idea.
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ahhh. yeah i heard about that gaza crap, but with all the middle east bombings and all that on the news i kind of drown it out...

well, i do feel bad for the palestines. a lot of people in my country think they're terrorists.

i don't think it will change anything but maybe i should write to iran and pakistan and all the countries the us has hurt and apoligize to them. i do feel bad.


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I don't see why we gave money to the palestines... not saying that it's bad; I just find it confusing that we would give two countries fighting each other money so they can keep doing it. It's almost like we want them to be at war.


There's a difference. The money given to Irael is financail aid to the government that is annual. A portion of which is spent on military funding and used to establish settlements on occupied terrirtories. The money given to Palestine was aid for refugees and victims of the attack on Gaza last December/January. Something like, sorry we didnt stop Israel from pummeling you, heres some compensation, go by an advil or two.

I just want to highlight on something you said. "two countries fighting each other". That is not the case. Palestine is not fighting Israel. The conflict is between Israel and extremists on Palestinian land. Just like how Israel bombed all of Lebanon during a "war" with Hezbollah in 2006.
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You're so polite someguy. (that's a good thing).

I don't see why we gave money to the palestines... not saying that it's bad; I just find it confusing that we would give two countries fighting each other money so they can keep doing it. It's almost like we want them to be at war.

Again, this is why I believe the US shouldn't be allowed to interact with other nations. ^.^


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Hamas in not a terrorist organization, especailly not for the reasons you stated. The money was given to Palestine. Part of Palestine, Gaza, is legally governed by Hamas, a democratically elect party. By giving money to Palestine, for aid and relief concerns aimed at the people, it can be interpreted that the money was indirectly given to Hamas. With the help of bias media and people who are against Obama, it can also be interpreted that Obama gave money to terrorists, which is false.

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They are the terrorist organization currently attacking Israel i believe. that to me is terrorism, and when is that hostility going to b turned on us?


That is another huge issue. To keep it breif, you only know one side of the issue, and by "know" i mean barely scratching the surface. But then again a 12-year-old in the US that even knows about Hamas isnt something to be taken lightly. Let me just say once again that im impressed by your efforts. Also, if that to you is terrorism, then the Israeli government is a class A terrorist organization.

Secondly, allow me to assure you that hostility from Hamas specifically, will never be turned on the US. Simply for two reasons. First because Hamas will never be that strong, second Hamas doesnt really care for fighting the US.

BBall girl, you seem to be interested in these subjects. I just want to recommend that you obtain more facts and try to understand more sides to an issue. It will help you form your own, stronger and more independent views.
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Registered: March 06, 2009
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not wat im saying at all. he gave money to a terrorist organization called Hamas. They are the terrorist organization currently attacking Israel i believe. that to me is terrorism, and when is that hostility going to b turned on us? the whole isolated country destroyed china's people and their pop. is larger than ours so that probably isnt a good idea. ugh im not gonna argue anymore on this subject so ill just drop it. do i sound like ur little sister. lolz thats funny. oh well the whole middle name on obama isnt bothering me at all. i really honestly dont care if his middle name is whiteracist or stupidniger so wat. all im saying is i just dont trust or believe in him but apparently u do so ok..


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Registered: December 18, 2005
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i have a great idea.

america should just stop talking, giving money and/or interacting with all the other countries.

we should just live in a nice little isolated country.


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The "terrorists" she's refering to, i believe, are the Palestinians. The US gov gave $100 million to Palestine a month or two back. Then again it could just be a claim based on air.

Listen bball girl, I admire the fact that you're trying to involve yourself in such issues at the age of twelve. Your obviously aware of the world around you unlike many your age. But you have to realize that there are many sides to an issue and frankly you have one not so valid side.

It would help if you had evidence to support your claims or made clearer references.
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lmao. What source is telling you Obama is giving money to terrorists? Is it because of his middle name being Hussein? lollz

You know that our CIA used to give money to bin Laden during the 70's.

you're twelve, you do sound like how my little sister would talk.


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Registered: March 06, 2009
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thats not wat im saying. im saying that us all of us just cant come up with some magical plan to fix something that can mostly right itself. yes the economy does need a push on occasion but that doesnt mean obama can just make it work, make it fit. ya the minority does taste bad. im part of a minority in many ways. i dont just not like obama b/c my parents do but b/c i hav a reason to. he gives money to terrorist organazations that hate this country. he destroys stem cells after so many years we banned it. nobody should immediatly luv him. its just to me he isnt convincing enough to get me on his side. we r the future to america. he is giving us a debt to pay b/c of the failing economy. y? yes he is trying to fix it and i appreciate it but borrowing from countries we owe enough money to isnt helping us at all. r u willing to pay more for simple things like taxes for the sake that we owe more money to japan b/c we cant pay for ourselves. to me its wrong. oh and im 12


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Registered: December 18, 2005
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things don't just fix themselves. first you were saying obama has done nothing to help the economy even though he has only been president for 3 months and then you say it will take years for the economy to get better. make up your mind.

you just don't like obama because your parents don't.


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