lol Now you're doing it Wolfie.

ya well so far obama hasnt done much other than try to fix something that can fix itself it all comes with the progress that humans are going through with new things coming. obama has 4 years currently to make it right. lets just hope he doesnt screw anything really bad up.
kk.

well being the president isn't exactly easy. everyone makes mistakes; what matters is what you do after those mistakes are made.

u may not hav debated but hoops sure did. im not saying ur mean at all. i enjoy arguing and u and hoops gave me a run for my money. thx and silly wolfie i agree with u and fucking up the country no doubt. i just think obama is going to screw up more than one thing. ^_^ thx again!

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Originally posted by lil_bball_girl:
if only i could tell u the truth about me. oh well live on knowing that u may hav just debated with a very young user

okay, well there was no debate in the first place, silly. there was you posting things that i couldn't read so how can i debate what i can't even read? lolzzz 14 isn't young enough to not know how to spell either... (i'm not being mean, i'm just silly and sometimes people mistake that for meaness)

Presidents can fuck up the country, as well as congress, the supreme court and the american people. You can't just say no one is to blame because in reality, everyone is to blame.

President Bush did a horrible job though. His adminstration is considered the most sluggish in history when it comes to passing bills and such. Also he removed very important policies that stablized the economy. I am not saying that Bush is the sole person responsible (personally i believe dick cheney was the "evil" one) but his administration and the congress during his two terms fucked up a lot of stuff.

I just want to know how someone can go into office with absolutely no defecit and then spend a good 5 trillion dollars in 8 years.

lollll

mmk i understand that u dont look at things the way i do. that is understandable. but seriously it isnt bush's fault, nor is it any presidents fault from the past. yes i do see wat americas come to. we call things good that are evil and evil things good. ive already asked myself the question that baffles us all. wat is good to u and wat is evil to u. to me lying about the economy is evil but it may be good. no one on earth really knows. that and im flattered that u use my quotes to make ur points.
if only i could tell u the truth about me. oh well live on knowing that u may hav just debated with a very young user

lol.

do you see what america has come to? no wonder we have all these problems.

oh sweetie, i wish i could understand what you type that way i could respond to it properly.

but it honestly is a bunch of gobbley-gook

And Wolfie, I do appreciate your advice, I just don't have the self control to sit back and watch this kind of train wreck. lol

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Originally posted by Wolfie:
lol, you do know that in early 2008 Bush got rid of a few policies instated by FDR during the great depression? And then the housing bubble burst and all hell broke loose once everyone realized they couldn't pay back loans and their banks were running out of business so now everyone is too scared to invest in anything and that's a few reasons why our economy is in shambles.

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Originally posted by lil_bball_girl:
and how is the great depression bush's fault im curious. that was the people's fault for not realizing that they were spending money they couldn't pay back.

If you were, to any degree, literate maybe you would have gotten what Wolfie said. Bush got rid of a few of the policies that saved us from the GD and helped prevent a new one- he is not at fault for the GD, but he set us up for the recession we are in now.
Which brings me to my next point:

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Originally posted by lil_bball_girl:
no we aren't in an economic crisis. wanna know how i know. look back on the great depression. ...the great depression was an economic crisis.

Exactly. THAT was a DEPRESSION, THIS is a RECESSION. Both are economice crises, one is just a tad more severe. Just because we've had worse times than this, doesn't mean times aren't bad right now.
If you had a compound fracture and it healed and then you got a simple hairline fracture the bone is still considered broken. The doctor's not gonna say, "Eh, it's not as bad as the last one, rub some dirt in it. It's not like it broke the skin."
Wanna know how I know? Because that, similarly to your logic, would effin retarded!

the majority dont like obama for stem cell research just like bush. im just part of that majority wolfie. and how is the great depression bush's fault im curious. that was the people's fault for not realizing that they were spending money they couldn't pay back. and the next time u call me sweetie im gonna give you hell.

no we aren't in an economic crisis. wanna know how i know. look back on the great depression. back then they were lining up to get food, blankets, pillows, a place to lay down children and senior citizens. r we doing that now? no the great depression was an economic crisis. today we r still lining up to get new phones and some to get grocieres that cost up to 100 dollars. yes some people are getting hit hard because of the faulty economy. but we aren't lining up to get food. that is an economic crisis

lol i don't like to waste my brain power on yn.

cause i mean come on it friggin yn

No WAY!!! Did someone just post here and use their brain? I'm so happy!

I completely agree with you Wolfie, and I don't know why I didnt' get it sooner... people w/o brains cannot reason --> repeat whatever an authority figure has drilled into their brain like a mindless drone idiot.

I am so enlightened!!

Lol, don't even try bothering with this one. She doesn't know anything about obama except that he approved stem-cell research. You know, because it is so bad to kill an embryo that is GOING TO GET THROWN AWAY anyways in order to save thousands of children with cancer. That's why she doesn't like him. That's what she means by the statement "he's already screwed up."

Listen sweetie just because the president does something that goes against your opinions doesn't mean he screwed up. He's just doing what the majority of people want him to do. (which is what a good democratic president should do, unlike Bush who stuck to his war even though the majority didn't want him to)

lol, you do know that in early 2008 Bush got rid of a few policies instated by FDR during the great depression? And then the housing bubble burst and all hell broke loose once everyone realized they couldn't pay back loans and their banks were running out of business so now everyone is too scared to invest in anything and that's a few reasons why our economy is in shambles. We should have expected it. During the 80's we made off like bandits and we started to spend like crazy people. Now that the spree is over we have to start living like we used to: no excessive spending. It's that simple.

You make no sense. You blame Obama for the bad economy but then you say we can't blame Bush and we can only blame ourselves. So why can we blame one president but not the other one who actually brought us into the mess. There isn't one person on the planet who could fix our economy in 2 months lol, as Hooperz said "what exactly is your plan to save the economy?"

Perhaps you shouldn't let your beliefs influence the facts, otherwise life will be that much harder for you. lol

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Originally posted by lil_bball_girl:
do you have to get a bad loan to screw things up. No

"The economic crisis has spread into many areas of the U.S. economy--banks, investment firms, insurance companies, and even the oil markets. But as VOA's Kent Klein reports from Washington, experts seem to agree that the trouble started with bad loans in the housing industry, and grew into a widespread crisis of confidence." from Analysts Say Economic Crisis Started with Bad Housing Loans VOA News, 19 September 2008.
<http://www.voanews.com/english/archive/2008-09/2008-09-19-voa1.cfm/>

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so shut up and listen more freakin closely to obama's speeches.

lol
Unlike your apparantly completely unfounded rantings, my posts contain actual information which, incidentally, I haven't just copied out of Obama's speech transcripts. I use several sources for my information, and I am interested in yours (that is, if you actually think before you type a half-assed post)

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no economic crisis sorry to disappoint.

No economic crisis? Then I suppose the U.S. Department of Lavor must have been mistaken when they released their report saying that over 5 million jobs have been lost in the last 12 months increasing the unemployment rate by 3.1%. And I guess these billion dollar stimulus packages are being passed for 'funzies' and we are begging China to buy our debt just for shits and giggles?
Do tell, what source of infinite wisdom brings you to your conclusion?

If you would like to check a couple of my sources:
<http://www.usnews.com/articles/opinion/2008/10/01/the-financial-crisis--howd-we-get-here-and-whats-next.html/>

<http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm/>

btw- You still haven't bothered to answer my initial question... just saying... would be polite... lol

do you have to get a bad loan to screw things up. No so shut up and listen more freakin closely to obama's speeches. no economic crisis sorry to disappoint.

Yes, we are in an economic crisis, and I didn't say it was all Bush's fault. My point was that you seem so quick to condemn Obama, when Bush was the republican golden boy for like 5 years while he was making mistake after mistake.

I think Obama knows about government and it's workings. He was a senator and got a law degree from Harvard, I'm pretty sure you can't get a law degree, especially from Harvard, without understanding law and government.

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Originally posted by lil_bball_girl:
to be honest we cant really point fingers at anyone but ourselves.

That's not exactly true, I've never given a bad loan, short sold any stock, or spent stimulus money (meant to bail out my failing company) on executive retreats and spas.

All that aside, you didn't even attempt to answer the most important question (to me) from my post: What exactly is your plan to save the economy?

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Originally posted by lil_bball_girl:
OH that coach who told obama off when he said "maybe you should be worrying more about the economy instead of your NCAA bracket. I though that was sorta funny

Actually, that was amusing.

ok hoops. tell me are we in a economic crisis? I'm curious, and yes Ill give him more chances who wouldn't? the thing that gets me is that i dont think he fully understands the government and how it works. No the economy isnt bush's fault, and to be honest we cant really point fingers at anyone but ourselves. It's all about progress the economy and everything. Just think, wat does obama know about the economy. OH that coach who told obama off when he said "maybe you should be worrying more about the economy instead of your NCAA bracket. I though that was sorta funny

I was just wondering, bball girl, what do you know about the stimulus package? How do you know it won't work? You're 14! Maybe you do know... What exactly is you plan to save the economy? Please, do tell.

and... he's been in office for two months, try giving him a chance (conservatives gave bush 5 or 6 years before they even began to think all that shit might be his fault)

i dont even trust that president. he has already screwed up and that was even before his stimulus package. he doesnt know wat he is doing. if he knew than he would be fixing the economy not making it worse with his crappy package. and that guy on the talk show. what are you going to do to him. he isn't a politician he is a talk show host. he is keeping his ratings at a high by capturing peoples attention and you're going to make a big deal out of it. i don't know if obama is ready for this seat of presidency yet