As many of you know kill shelters kill animals, but not because they are sick. They kill animals to make more room in the shelter. The Shelters give the animals a certain amount of time to be adopted and when that time is up they are killed. This is unfair to both them and humans. Many people search coast to coast to find the perfect pet for them and if their ideal pet was just killed they can't have that same right as everyone else that has a happy relationship with their pet. Also, some shelters don't euthanize the animals...they gas them. Peta believes that after an animal is in a shelter for 3 weeks it becomes unadoptable, this is not true, I adopted my dog and he was in the shelter for over a year. I understand my efforts could be better with something else, but people don't think of how many things animals do for us. They help the blind, rescue people from wreckage and water, they lower blood pressure and so much more! And you can't just stop people from breeding or make sure their pets are spayed and neutered, you can't possibly have every pet fixed.
I've recently made a petition, that with enough signatures, will be presented to congress to hopefully make kill shelters in the United states illegal. If you would like to sign the petition go to:
Hey lilbopper11 - nobody wants to do it or see it happen but kill shelters are definetly needed. if they weren't here do you know how many animals would be just running loose? do you know how dangerous that would be?
Originally posted by lilbopper11: As many of you know kill shelters kill animals, but not because they are sick. They kill animals to make more room in the shelter. The Shelters give the animals a certain amount of time to be adopted and when that time is up they are killed.
Yeah, that's how it works, you're point is what?
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Originally posted by lilbopper11: Also, some shelters don't euthanize the animals...they gas them. do for us. And you can't just stop people from breeding or make sure their pets are spayed and neutered, you can't possibly have every pet fixed.
Are you completely moronic? I worked in a shelter for six year and my mom has worked in two different pounds and you wanna try and make them illegal. I've had to help euthanize a countless number of dogs and cats and whether or not they deserved, we did it as humanly as possible. No dog ever left our shelter through euthanization without knowing it was loved. And yes you can make sure they are spayed and neutered. Any responsible animal organization that adopts out dogs and cats will have it in their policy that the animal will be spayed or neutered.
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Whoa. That was quite the rant. Anyways, I definitely agree. Kill shelters aren't pretty, but they're a necessary evil. Better to be put down humanely (or even semi-humanely) than suffer in the wild, where domesticated animals just can't cut it.
It's our own fault that stray populations are out of control, because most people are fucking morons and dont understand the responsibility of owning a pet, especially cat owners. Kill shelters must be. would you rather that they get shot at by kids in the street or mutilated by angry neighbors who get fed up with stray cats on their lawn? And if you were wondering, yes i did witness that in my history of volunteering at a no-kill shelter since i was 6. this man literally killed seven cats and lined them up in a row, and mutilated them, and then displayed them to his neighbors, who refused to get rid of them and kept feeding them. He also took shots at the strays frequently. unfortunately, being an ex-cop, the police did nothing (despite the fact that he seems to show maniacical signs). People do not understand that by feeding strays and letting them propagate, they are only worsening the problems of stray animals (namely cats in this case). If you have a stray in your yard, take it to the vet and get it neutered, then release it back into your yard, and continue feeding it. If you dont want to spend the money then stop whining about how much you love animals. At the shelter, I witness and hear of all sorts of people and horrible stories. People adopt cats for gifts and give them at christmas or adopt a cat for a bday and then let it go because they dont want to take care of it. They get black cats for halloween, and there are even psycho kids around here that actually try to break into the shelter and steal black cats for their idiotic halloween practices. We've learned though, not to adopt out cats on halloween because of mutilations in the past. People adopt older cats who have a urinal problem that cant control themselves and literally will leave them in boxes outside the shelter because they dont want to bother trying to train them or get them surgery or medication EVEN THOUGH we specifically told them before hand that the cat has a problem. Some of our cats have been adopted out to families with children, who've returned cats a year later, abused, and undernourished. People move and then throw their cats out or leave them, or someone comes into the family who has allergies, and instead of finding a new home, they just toss them out the door. I have allergies, and i have three cats... and ive volunteered at a cat shelter since i was 6... for 11 years. Once, when i was little i knew a cat named misty... she was a maine coon, and I loved her so much, so deeply, I used to come every week to see her. But one day they found out she had a cancerous cyst in her mouth. They couldnt remove it, and it grew and grew until after a few weeks i would come and she couldnt breathe. They had to put her to sleep, and I hated it, I absolutely hated it, and I cried for a week (im actually crying now as i write this), but i understood it was necessary, because I would be selfish for wanting her to live and suffer for the rest of her short life. And that was a rarity because our shelter does not kill unless for a medical emergency. We have numerous other cats at the shelter as well, like Cass, Jasmine, Zane, and tricia (a cat born with three legs). Theyve been there since I started, and have never once gotten adopted. I love them completely, and I would be devastated if they had to be put down because the shelter couldnt handle them. At times, we've had 80 cats, which is slightly more than our maximum. We save cats from our town pound (where they do practice euthenasia), but we only take the ones that seem friendly enough to be given homes. we cant take them all unfortunately. do you realize how hard those decisions are to make? do you even fucking realize? you who sit there complaining about kill shelters and how horrible they are? they come every day. Kittens, old cats, dogs, puppies from broken hearted owners and anonymous strangers who couldnt give a damn. We take them off the streets when we get a call. A few weeks ago, we saved three little kittens from a plastic bag on the side of a highway. I fed them, i cleaned their cage, I saw their little blue eyes, I held their little pink paws. they were shaking and terribly frightened of me, but I still loved them. People dont care. They simply dont. Many do. I do, and you lilbopper do too; i see that and understand that. But i have a final thing to tell you. I also had a cat named cookie for a month or two. I found her on my back porch, deathly skinny and yowling, curled up right in the crook of my backdoor. she had crap all over her behind and debris and leaves stuck in her fur. she couldnt move mush. I let her in my dining room, taking care not to let her contaminate my own household with any diseases as she looked very weathered. I gave her food and water, and put a box outside to let her sleep in, and I made her a nice little bed. She was neutered, and she had a collar. I called the owner but when i mentioned the cat, she hung up and didnt pick up again. There was no address. So i kept her and called her cookie. She got better and better and I was about to take her to the vet, but one day I couldnt find her. She very rarely strayed from my back porch ever since I found her, so i became worried and went around to look for her, but couldnt find her. I didnt find her for a week. I was nervous because we had a lot of raccoons in our backyard then and I was afraid she mightve gotten hurt, but i didnt hear her or see her, no sign whatsoever. Then a week later, I found her while i was playing with my friends. she was under a bush in their yard, her head ripped clean off. Do you think that she had a happy life? Do you? DO you think that it was the dogs fault that ripped her head off? I threw up and cried. I buried her where she lied. I wouldve buried her near her home but... where is that? huh? With me? I fed her and cleaned her up. I had her for a month. I wasnt her home. What about her previous owner... who so conveniently forgot about her and ignored her? how can cookie's home be with someone who doesnt want to acknowledge that they ever existed? She had no home, and that's why i buried her there, alone under a bush. She was homeless. No one cared about her, except me. So who's fault is it? I blamed myself, i really did, I shouldve taken her in. But later on i realized that it was for the best that i didnt, because i mightve gotten my other cats sick... It was her owner's fault, it was everyone who's ever abandoned an animal, something which they committed to taking care of. And you know what the sad thing is? For every puppy farmer, and breeder, and stray animal, and thoughtless, careless person out there, there are so few people who REALLY ACTUALLY CARE about animals. I'm not talking about people who think they care, but dont (and im not accusing you) or people who try to help but really accomplish nothing or do something stupid (like a woman at our shelter who moves cats from room to room as she sees fit, because she thinks she knows them better than anyone else and she thinks theyll be happier, during a ringworm infection). Because of those people who dont care... kill shelters must exist. What do you think is better? Do you think cookie wouldve been better off if she was put to sleep or that she was tossed out by an owner and killed by a dog... by some other fucking moron who doesnt know how to control their dog and keep them well-trained? or what about those kittens on the side of the road? Or maybe the kittens that were left in a box outside the shelter on christmas eve... two out five of which were frozen to death; the rest with colds. So dont sit there and preach for the end of the terrible kill shelters. Of course theyre fucking terrible! But what are the alternatives? Psychotic human violence and mutilation, neglect, domesticated animals fending for themselves in a feral environment? What awaits them is death... only the most resourceful can really survive. ANd it is the stupidity of human beings that is at fault. Dog attacks on joggers too... train your fucking dog and get some fucking strength... how stupid can you be to allow your pet to attack another person that's another whole god damn neglect story! People who show so much affection to their dog that they let them get away with anything are just as bad as those who toss their cats out. How fucking stupid can a person be? they let their dog do whatever it wants and then it runs out the door one day and gets hit by a car! Learn to exert dominance over your pet JESUS CHRIST!!!
Nevertheless, my point is. Kill shelters are necessary. It's a dirty job but somebody's got to do it. so dont meddle with something that is more of a help than it is good if you dont understand the possible implications of your actions... not that your petition would achieve anything anyway. but dont sit and preach what you dont understand. sometimes you have to be cruel to love. I dont like the killing anymore than you do.
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Did you even read what I wrote. Just because the breed is apparently dangerous doesn't mean they all are. I agree with the fact that the owner may say it's a nice dog but it attacks the person. It's not because the dog is dangerous it's because the person that wants to pet the dog doesn't know how to approach the dog. That is the stuff that really annoys me, when people come up to your dog and don't even ask you if it's ok you end up liable for their stupidity, the dog is either put down or you pay big time. People need to learn how to approach a dog.
Yes, but what you don't understand is that the animals will just fill them. They will just keep filling and filling them. You can't just keep building more shelters. There must be a mechanism for stemming the population of the animals in question. Killing is the only effective stemming mechanism.
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"I've never met a dog that did that. Not even my cousin's hyper pit bull."
Yeah, now just on a side note, no one should ever treat dangerous dogs with contempt. Sure, there owner may say its friendly, but accepting that as a truth is asking for a very tragic accident.
There is no way to to ensure that every single pet is spayed and neutered. There should be strict breeders licence rules, because if one person thinks they are the only one breeding then everyone thinks they are the only ones breeding. Or there should be a breeding stike of some sort, which you can't stop every breeder because that's their income, but hey you never know. If there is one maybe more shelters will be empty but, many citizens would rather waste money on a purebred that has health issues rather than adopt a pet. It's totally ridiculous. It's a dog, it doesn't matter what it looks like or how much it costs you can't guarantee it'll be perfect, as long as it has the personality you love. They should stop wasting their money on buying an animal and adopt one, then they can give the extra money to the needy and have a win win situation. I believe I have one of the nicest local shelters around, I mean the dogs are out of their cages running around almost the entire day, it's so cute seeing them all playing with each other, and the shelter also provides free training after you adopt, which is a very good deal.
Originally posted by lilbopper11: Like I said the gov't shouldn't wasting it's money on these people that droppped out of school/failed so they don't have a decent job.
Not even people that dropped out of school because of special circumstances? It happens believe it or not.
Also, poverty is unavoidable. No matter how educated the population is. And this is a rich country. We shouldn't let our people go hungry just because a bunch of spoiled pseudo-intellectual/pro-environment/animal-"loving" kids are all butthurt over a few dogs being put down.
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They should do it right the first time so the gov't would spend more time dealing with things like Global warming.
If Global Warming were a real issue...
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So your saying you like illegals coming and stealing from our social security so they can get by while not doing anything?
No, I'm saying I care about poor American citizens. Because not all of them got that way through the way you're describing.
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You are quite the sketchball. You have two cats and yet you believe that funding for your own kind is more important than your cats. Do you like feed them since your money is better spent on you? I feel very bad for your cats.
Yes, it is. As in funding from taxes. But when it comes to my own money, I make sure they eat before I do.
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So where did you get your cats? If you got them from a shelter and are happy, do you really think your arguement makes any sense? Happiness can't be found in many places and if you kill that one thing that brings you joy, well you're screwed.
I adopted them from a shelter. :P
And yes, I do. If they were put down before I got them, then... oh well. My heart does bleed when I see unwanted animals being put down. But the only practical solution to this problem is to spay and neuter. Not to make people trying to get back on their feet suffer.
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"Dogs consider that being "attacked" so they fight back."
"I've never met a dog that did that. Not even my cousin's hyper pit bull."
Well you're very lucky, one day you will come across that one dog that dosn't have the easy going personality as the others, then you'll know what I'm talking about. Just because it's a pitbull doesn't mean it will attack. Pitbulls normally are very friendly, but unfortunately they are taught to fight.
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Good for your parents, but the government still doesn't give them loans. Oh wow what a genius, food stamps are for food, that's why they're called food stamps. Like I said the gov't shouldn't wasting it's money on these people that droppped out of school/failed so they don't have a decent job. They should do it right the first time so the gov't would spend more time dealing with things like Global warming. So your saying you like illegals coming and stealing from our social security so they can get by while not doing anything?
You are quite the sketchball. You have two cats and yet you believe that funding for your own kind is more important than your cats. Do you like feed them since your money is better spent on you? I feel very bad for your cats.
So where did you get your cats? If you got them from a shelter and are happy, do you really think your arguement makes any sense? Happiness can't be found in many places and if you kill that one thing that brings you joy, well you're screwed.
Originally posted by lilbopper11: Those people were not layed off.
My dad was a few years ago.
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They chose to fail school.
Both of my parents failed school, and they went through hard times. But now my mom makes almost 100K a year. All because government aid gave her a boost and the ability to survive and escape homelessness before she found a great job.
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How do you know they are looking for a job and not just asking for money so they can buy drugs and such?
You can't buy drugs with food stamps.
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So just because you hate animals they should be gone forever right? Well, what will you have guide you around when you cut your eye out certainly not stick.
I don't hate animals. I have two cats of my own. I just think creatures of my own species are more important when it comes to funding. And If I cut my eye out, I could easily use the other one. :P
You come in here saying we shouldn't let animals be put down because some of those animals are good. Yet you want to take anyway important funding from poor families in order to give more money to shelters. And you're justifying this by assuming that those families are all bad. Hypocritical much?
So yeah, you're nothing but another dumb animal sympathizer, who definitely needs a swift kick in the shins. If you were planning on taking funds from anywhere, why not something less important, rather than taking food from the mouths of hungry children?
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but people are ignorant and think they know everything
Like you?
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Dogs consider that being "attacked" so they fight back.
I've never met a dog that did that. Not even my cousin's hyper pit bull.
I'm trying to make it possible to build more. I've created a fund and I'm trying to teach people how to handle the animals but people are ignorant and think they know everything. People that are bitten by a dog assume the dog is vicious when really the person just ran up to it and started to pet it without it smelling them. Dogs consider that being "attacked" so they fight back. I believe if people understand more about how to handle the animals there will be more adoptions. There definately would be more adoptions if people had tax breaks, the animal was free and the vet is free or something of that nature.
lilbopper11, there isn't any other alternative! We can't just let the animals baloon in number and run loose all over the place. And we can't just keep making more and more shelters, there just isn't the funds.
Those people were not layed off. They chose to fail school. As taxpayers our money would be more useful going to a cause that never had a chance geting off on the right foot. How do you know they are looking for a job and not just asking for money so they can buy drugs and such?
So just because you hate animals they should be gone forever right? Well, what will you have guide you around when you cut your eye out certainly not stick.
Originally posted by lilbopper11: we shouldn't be giving people food stamps and such from our hard earned money, it's their fault they ended up without a decent job.
Now you're pissing me off. I also think you just ostracized yourself from most of the YN community.
Yeah, let's stop giving out food stamps to families with parents who were layed off, and are actively looking for another job. Let's just let their kids starve in the weeks or months it may take, because of some fucking dog no one wants. Good thinking, Captain Humanity...
My emotions are not in the way, that's for sure. I've visited many shelters and played with the dogs that have been there the longest, they truely don't have any behavioral problems. I respect your opinions but, many people just want the perfect dog handed to them, that won't ever be possible even if they have the dog trained by the best trainer around. Dogs would have families if they were given the chance. What do you believe the blind or people stuck in avalanches do if the dog wasn't around? We need dogs to do jobs we can't do. I'm sure you've heard of disabled people that need a dog to open doors, the fridge etc. for them. We should support our shelters, we shouldn't be giving people food stamps and such from our hard earned money, it's their fault they ended up without a decent job.
Originally posted by lilbopper11: I agree with the fact that if they have health and behavioral problems they should be put down, but everyday thousands of perfectly good animals are being put down.
Do you know this for a fact, or are you just assuming because your emotions are getting in the way? I think it's the latter.
Seriously though, I still think No-Kill shelters are extremely inhumane. Dogs need families, not concrete kennels. Shelters that kill will never be made illegal, because not everyone wants a pet. And there is a legal limit to how many animals you can own. Therefore, shelters fill up beyond capacity and the quality of life those animals will have is simply unacceptable.
I watched a documentary about this woman that owned a shelter that killed unwanted dogs on HBO, called Shelter Dogs. It'll change your mind. I gaurantee it. Your dog was lucky, but I think it's kinda lame to want to prolong the lives of dogs that are losing their minds and are probably a danger to the public.
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Honestly, I believe that some funds for humans would be better spent on the animals, that way the blind wouldn't have to pay so much for a guide dog etc.
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