there is a website,
www.myspace.com/animalactivists1

add them as a friend and check back at the begining of each month to find a typed flyer printout on a certain animal rights topic for that month. Simply print out the flyer and make 2,10,20,or even 100 copies and hand them out to friends, family, peers, or even leave them in a library book or a coffee shop.!@


its the easiest way to spread the word, and it works

eek, watch out for that liberal bias, it's in just about every college in the U.S.

I've considered them more than I used to. I'm taking a political science class this quarter, so I'll see what it's like.

You're pretty wise for your age. I sure as hell didn't care about history or polotics when i was 18. Ever thought of a social science? or possibly history major?

I've no clue. I'm leaning towards something with computers, but I haven't decided on an exact major. I'm just getting my general education out of the way before I make a choice.

Oh, yeah i remember. What are you studying at U-dub?

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CLPO, didn't know you were from Seattle, nice place. I was born there and lived most of my life up there until now. I have been stuck in Georgia for 3 years and i really miss it up there. what part are you from?

I'm actually from a small town about 90 miles north of Seattle, but I go to school at the U of Washington. You probably know what the U-District is like, which is why I made that comment about all the healthy food.

Animals don't care when we eat them, because they're dead.

...and why couldn't we speak to animals? We all have a wyld side to us that speaks the same savage tongue (gods, by no mean am I saying animals are savage). Why couldn't we, as animals, risen out of the dust, access that?

I agree with CLPO, why do we have to get the word out? Who cares what we eat, and how do we know animals care we eat them? For all we know they probalby understand. I do disagree with some of the means by which we kill these animals and thats what PETA should put there focus on instead of killing animals in zoos in order to prove a point that animal captiviy (sometimes used to perserve a spiece)is wrong and they would rather see the animal dead. We can't speak to animals, we don't know what they think or feel about us eating and until we do understand them i will continue to enjoy eating them.

CLPO, didn't know you were from Seattle, nice place. I was born there and lived most of my life up there until now. I have been stuck in Georgia for 3 years and i really miss it up there. what part are you from?

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Some would say that having that fifth person go vegan would make it all worth it

That makes it sound eerily like religion.

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And try finding a restaurant nearby that serves free-range meat.

Heh, I live in Seattle. You'd have a harder time finding non-organic or non-free-range foods. It is harder to find, I will concede, but it is a niche market. You can't produce a lot of meat that way compared to slaughterhouses. Of course there will be more of the latter.

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It's all about choice, and you can appreciate that, right clpo?

Yes, but misrepresentation and terror tactics are a bit heavy-handed. Again, it sounds a lot like religion.

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non-violent actions against animal-abusing corporations as terrorist acts

Whoa, what? That's absurd. And bordering on unconstitutional, if I know anything about the bill of rights. I may not like animal rights activists, but they have a right to protest.

I guess the biggest problem I have with groups like PETA is that they feel the need to go out and convince people (by pretty much whatever means necessary) that eating meat is bad. Why do people need to know? Most of us don't care, and those who do find out on their own.

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Don't try to get people to turn vegan. Four out of five people won't, I guarantee it.

Some would say that having that fifth person go vegan would make it all worth it

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But, given a choice, a lot of people will eat free range meat. It's more expensive for consumers, but it's less cruel for the animals.

They would, but they would also have a hard time finding it, and some might not want to take the time out to do so. And try finding a restaurant nearby that serves free-range meat. Plus, there's no way of knowing that the companies' humane claims are accurate unless you see the condictions for yourself, and most comsumers would probably be shocked for what passes for "free-range" (like in the case of chickens, they're still in a building, they're given access to a small outdoor pen, but they rarely go into it, and that's all, and it's not so good for turkeys either: www.free-range-turkey.com ).
As you may know, Vegan Outreach is one of my favorite animal rights organizations, and they take a very smart approach to the issue; they don't tell people to give up meat completely right off the bat, but they tell people to reduce their meat consumption, and if they so choose, work their way to vegetarianism or even veganism. They even have a booklet that they hand out entitled "Even if you like meat." Most people who read the booklet are horrified about what they've seen and want to do something about it, so they tend to be very open to the possibility of reducing their intake of meat to reduce their contribution to this suffering. So, ideally, if people want to continue to eat meat, they can eat a minimum of free-range meat at home, and eat vegetarian when they eat out.

It's all about choice, and you can appreciate that, right clpo?

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Also, try lobbying for harsher penalties for people who abuse their pets or companies that needlessly experiment on animals (such as those that experiment for cosmetics). You'll get a lot further with that than trying to get people to give up animal products.

That would be effective, especially in the case of domestic animal abuse (meaning individuals who abuse their animals), but when it comes to corporations that mass abuse animals, it's a lot harder. Lobbies from the meat and biomedical companies use their influence and their wads of money to make sure that they can continue to do what they're doing and keep making money. It would take a long time to get effective laws passed nationally in favor of farmed animal welfare or in favor of replacing animals in research labs (there's quite a bit of money to be made in vivisection as well as animal agriculture, so they would come against it fiercely), so what some activists do is go directly to the public with their message, since it's usually easier to change the public's mind than the government's
Heck, just recently a bill went through the Senate and House and was just signed by President Bush that would deem even non-violent actions against animal-abusing corporations as terrorist acts, which was supported by just about every meat, fur and biomedical lobby group you can think of. (The bill was called the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act, and it was slipped by in such a way that activists had little time to rally against it, more info here: http://www.noaeta.org/ and here: http://www.stopaeta.org/ )

Vegan Outreach has an article addressing this topic:
http://www.veganoutreach.org/articles/whynotlaws.html

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hand them out to friends, family, peers,

I'd hand them out to my friends but I want to keep them
I don't want alienate my family or my peer base
Oh and I don't care about your cause

I'm with Doc, support healthy animal populations... by eating down their numbers

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Oh and clpo, brilliant as usual.

Yet strangely enough, they never seem to take my advice. If only everyone thought like me... Then the world would be a scary place. Scratch that thought.

LOL That is a somewhat scary thought... although all in all I think it would be for the better.

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leave them in a library book

ill be sure to leave one in my library book - a copy of Ted Nugent's 'kill it and grill it'.

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Oh and clpo, brilliant as usual.

Yet strangely enough, they never seem to take my advice. If only everyone thought like me... Then the world would be a scary place. Scratch that thought.

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Originally posted by DrStrangelove:
I'm an animal activist. I do my part to help maintain healthy population levels of certain wildlife.

LMAO

"I love defenseless animals, especially in a good gravy."

Oh and clpo, brilliant as usual.

I hate how people group things like bull-fighting, meat-eating, and pet cruelty in the same category. I don't condone beating up your pets, but I'm not about to try to get people to stop wearing fur or eating hamburgers.

It's all about choice. Heh, I say that a lot, don't I?

Look, it's great that you feel strongly about something, but try to limit it to reducing cruelty. Don't try to get people to turn vegan. Four out of five people won't, I guarantee it. But, given a choice, a lot of people will eat free range meat. It's more expensive for consumers, but it's less cruel for the animals. Also, try lobbying for harsher penalties for people who abuse their pets or companies that needlessly experiment on animals (such as those that experiment for cosmetics). You'll get a lot further with that than trying to get people to give up animal products.

I'm an animal activist. I do my part to help maintain healthy population levels of certain wildlife.