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we get sick if we eat raw meat.

Primitive people can eat raw meat perfectly fine. You and I can't eat raw meat because we weren't raised on it. If you eat raw meat all your life you'll develop the enzymes nessecary to digest it.

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also, plants can't feel pain.

It's always a pity to see good sarcasm wasted.

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I also don't think humans are natural omnivoires. Just because humans have been eating meat since forever, if you think about we aren't made for eating flesh. Think about it, our teeth are flat at not made for tearing flesh. Our finger nails aren't strong enough to tear flesh and we get sick if we eat raw meat.

Thus we invented tools. And amp is right about the meat bit. There are certain amino acids not found in sufficient amounts in vegetables alone. I had a source once, but I lost it.

A meat-free diet is impractical. A reduced-meat diet, however, is the best one. Of course, I'm going to eat all the meat I want because I don't care. I prefer exercise over soy.

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FOR THE BEST POSSIBLE HEALTH YOU NEED LEAN MEATS IN SMALL AMOUNTS NO IF ANDS OR BUTS ABOUT IT!

i don't believe you
sorry.
I also don't think humans are natural omnivoires. Just because humans have been eating meat since forever, if you think about we aren't made for eating flesh. Think about it, our teeth are flat at not made for tearing flesh. Our finger nails aren't strong enough to tear flesh and we get sick if we eat raw meat.
Ther are other reasons but I don't feel like typing them out so you can go to http://www.goveg.com/naturalhumandiet.asp

animals are my friends, and i dont eat my friends. i dont criticize anyone for eating animals. people can do as they wish. and so can i. and i chose not to eat animals

FOR THE BEST POSSIBLE HEALTH YOU NEED LEAN MEATS IN SMALL AMOUNTS NO IF ANDS OR BUTS ABOUT IT! there is a diffrence between being healthy and being optimumly healthy and as mankind is an omnivore cutting out part of our natural diet limits your health

wow. okay. first maybe lets check out www.goveg.com
and also... about vegetarian athletes, Carl Lewis was an Olympic medalist in track and called "Olympian of the Century" and he was vegetarian.
also, plants can't feel pain.

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our best science to date shows that plants lack any semblance
of a central nervous system or any other system design for such complex
capacities as that of conscious suffering from felt pain.
Second, plants simply have no evolutionary need to feel pain. Animals
being mobile would benefit from the ability to sense pain; plants would
not. Nature does not gratuitously create such complex capacities as that
of feeling pain unless there is some benefit for the organism's
survival

I said in addition to B-12

and you can not get all the 9 essentials from any nonmeat foods in serious quantity's I was asking that people eat nuts to get as many as they can. Now of course some will be missing and a few contrary to your class are not found outside of meat at all despite what you soy lovers may say so no you cannot have a complete diet with out some meat you can come close but you can't get it all

Definitely.
I had nightmares about the crazy oil guy.


I saw it on TV the other day,
& it has become more of a comedy
with the 2 worker guys.
ay ay ay. =]

Ferngully was the most terrifying movie ever when I was younger...it was all because of that song with the oil from the machinery...

Actually nuts won't provide all 9 essentials. You must combine nuts/legumes with grains in order to get all nine. Each of these groups is short in 2 amino acids. (this is why beans and corn tortilla work as a protein source)

Also B12 only comes from animal products(not nuts). You can get sufficent in milk but you must be having 3 servings a day or you must supplement.

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As someone who just got an A in a university nutrition course let me say with athority. People can be healthy and be vegan

as a semitrained student athletic trained let me say with simler authority that. I've never said that veganism is unhealthy(I have but not in the way I meant) but for optimum health with an active life style that includes at least one serious sport, for the best health you need lean meats and you need to go lighter on the red meats than on things like fish. However if you are not a super active (like year round sports, ect) you can lead a healthy life style eating only greens it won't be as healthy as possible but it will be okay.

also with the B-12 you need to eat nuts and the like and get as much of the 9 essential amino acids as humanly possible

=]
this thread makes me smile

that, and a line from that song
reminded me of Fern Gully
I loved tat movie when I was a kid.
Heh.

""I've heard the screams of the vegetables scream scream scream"""

also in the word of the Arrogant worms

Listen up, brothers and sisters
Come hear my desperate tale
I speak of our friends of nature
Trapped in the dirt like a jail

/ G D Em / C D G / :

Vegetables live in oppression
Served on our tables each night
This killing of veggies is madness
I say we take up the fight

Salads are only for murderers
Cole slaw's a fascist regime
Don't think that they don't have feelings
Just 'cause a radish can't scream

/ D - G / / / C - D /

{Refrain}
I've heard the screams of the vegetables, scream scream scream
Watching their skins being peeled, having their insides revealed
Grated and steamed with no mercy, burning off calories
How do you think that feels, bet it hurts really bad
Carrot juice constitutes murder, and that's a real crime
Greenhouses prisons for slaves, let my vegetables grow
It's time to stop all this gardening, it's dirty as hell
Let's call a spade a spade, it's a spade it's a spade it's a spade

/ G D Em - / C G D - / 1st / C D G - / :

I saw a man eating celery
So I beat him black and blue
If he ever touches a sprout again
I'll bite him clean in two

I'm a political prisoner
Trapped in a windowless cage
'Cause I stopped the slaughter of turnips
By killing five men in a rage

I told the judge when he sentenced me
"This is my finest hour
I'll kill those farmers again
Just to save one more cauliflower"

{Refrain}

How low as people do we dare to stoop
Making young broccolis bleed in the soup
Untie your beans, uncage your tomatoes
Set potted plants free, don't mash that potato, ah

/ Am - Em - / C - G - / 1st / C - D - /

I've heard the screams of the vegetables scream scream scream
Watching their skins being peeled fates in the stir fry are sealed
Grated and steamed with no mercy you fat gourmet scum
How do you think that feels leave them out in the fields
Carrot juice constitutes murder V8's genocide
Greenhouses prisons for slaves yes your compost's a grave
It's time to stop all this gardening take up macramé
Let's call a spade a spade it's a spade it's a spade it's a spade

As someone who just got an A in a university nutrition course let me say with athority. People can be healthy and be vegan but it requires a lot of thought. You must have Vitamin b12 supplement. There is no way around this. If you don't you will get megaloblastic anemia and permanent irreversible nerve cell damage. Also iron is an issue. Plant sources of iron are less absorbed (note iron in spinach is not absorbed at all).

vegans arnt crazy, im vegetarian and I want to go vegan but I know right now I wont do it healthily enough to stay safe. And I cant be much use if im dyeing.plus, every vegetarian that falls sick cops so much sh** for it because everyone says its because they are vegetarian

Oh that. Yes, I agree.

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Originally posted by freedomordeath:
What?

http://boards.youthnoise.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/41510584663/m/31710421

It's in that thread.

What?

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Originally posted by freedomordeath:
I must say, however, that vegans and vegetarians and People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals all have a very strong argument when you're watching clips like this (mind you it's from, maybe, the eighties, just aired very recently):

http://www.wimp.com/dinner/

The one with the dog getting skinned alive is better.

dude i just tryed to go to it & it wouldnt load.