This is my poll. . . I HOPE you all feel the way I do.

Question:
Do you think it is morally ok to test on animals.

Choices:
ABSOLUTELY NOT! Just because they can't tell us what they want doesn't mean we have the right to do tests on them, especially when often they cause the animal suffering or even DEATH!
I would have to do more research to be sure.
I think animal testing is okay. It's cruel and often kills the animal, but hey, we have more

 

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just heard on the news another fine example of medication that has passed animal trials and yet caused harm, and even death in humans...stilnox..way to go

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organ transplants (dogs),

organ transplants, eh? take this quote from Dr Christian Barnard (leading founder of heart transplant research):

"I had bought two male chimps from a primate colony in Holland. They lived next to each other in separate cages for several months before I used one as a [heart] donor. When we put him to sleep in his cage in preparation for the operation, he chattered and cried incessantly. We attached no significance to this, but it must have made a great impression on his companion, for when we removed the body to the operating room, the other chimp wept bitterly and was inconsolable for days. The incident made a deep impression on me. I vowed never again to experiment with such sensitive creatures." -

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That 2% is reason enough for me.

of course it would be because you have nothing to lose from it..if you would to choose a 2% success rate in human trials, compared to 2% in animal based trials, you would choose the human trial instead.

i love this quote which sums up the thinking of animal based research:

"Ask the experimenters why they experiment on animals, and the answer is: "Because the animals are like us." Ask the experimenters why it is morally okay to experiment on animals, and the answer is: "Because the animals are not like us." Animal experimentation rests on a logical contradiction." - Charles R. Magel

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The Foundation for Biomedical Research says that "[a]nimal research has played a vital role in virtually every major medical advance of the last century," including the development of penicillin (experimentation on mice), organ transplants (dogs), and work that eventually led to the polio vaccine (after experimentation on mice and monkeys).

of course they would say that just as PETA would claim the opposite

oh btw..the accine the polio that WAS NOT tested on animals won the Nobel Prize, whereas the experiments that relied on animal tests had no significant standing..want more exapmles of failures in animal experiments? just ask..there are plenty out there

maybe if ppl took more responsibility in their lifestyle choices, then we wouldn't need so many damn animal experiments.

funny how ppl don't see the correlation between high meat consumption and some cancers, obesity, heart disease and the like.

for those who are bleeding hearts in saving humans, y dont you volunteer yourseles to help others, instead letting those that can't defend themselves be sacrified instead.

i know this is totally hypothetical, but those who scoff at the idea just show the 'narrow minded-ness" but if a higher species were on this earth and used humans to experiment on for their illnesses, those who defend animal experiments would be the loudest abolishionists of them all

Animal testing is wrong in the case of shampoo, conditioner, mankeup, etc. But when an animal is killed/tested on for medical reasons, than that is OK. So I say boycott animal tested cosmeticts.

First off, what does that even mean in practical terms?

Second, Revlon makes beauty products. I don't care about beauty products. I'm concerned with medicine. You don't fool around with medicine.

Also, here's what I've found regarding the successes of animal testing:

The Foundation for Biomedical Research says that "[a]nimal research has played a vital role in virtually every major medical advance of the last century," including the development of penicillin (experimentation on mice), organ transplants (dogs), and work that eventually led to the polio vaccine (after experimentation on mice and monkeys).

That's just a short bit of what I found on Wikipedia. I'm sure I could find more if I took the time to look.

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Originally posted by clpo13:
Anyways, what's your idea of humane testing? Computer simulations? Clones? I'm interested to hear what ideas you have.

The three R's, Refinement Reduction and Replacement.

If Revlon can do it, and they sell a hell of a lot of products, why cant all the others?

Ghandi: ""To my mind the life of the lamb is no less precious than that of a human being. I should be unwilling to take the life of the lamb for the sake of the human body. I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to protection by man from the cruelty of man."

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Less than 2% of human illnesses (1.16%) are ever seen in animals. Over 98% never are.

That 2% is reason enough for me.

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40% of patients suffer side effects as a result of prescription treatment.

What's this got to do with animal testing?

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If we had relied on animal tests we would still believe that humans don’t need vitamin C, that smoking doesn’t cause cause cancer and alcohol doesn’t cause liver damage.

Instead we waited until humans suffered.

The thing about your list is that it only talks about failures of animal testing. What about the successes?

Anyways, what's your idea of humane testing? Computer simulations? Clones? I'm interested to hear what ideas you have.

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Originally posted by clpo13:
You test to make it better. And we're not just talking about beauty products here, either. Lots of medicines are tested on animals to make sure they work effectively before being used on human patients.

There are alternative humane ways to testing. Please consider the following when you consider animal testing:

* Less than 2% of human illnesses (1.16%) are ever seen in animals. Over 98% never are.
* At least 50 drugs on the market cause cancer in lab animals. They are allowed because it is admitted that animal tests are not relevant.
* When asked if they agreed that animal experimentation can be misleading because of anatomical and physiological differences between animals and humans, 88% of doctors agreed.
* Rats are 37% effective in identifying what causes cancer in humans. Flipping a coin would be more accurate.
* According to animal tests lemon juice is deadly poison, but arsenic, hemlock and botulin are safe.
* 40% of patients suffer side effects as a result of prescription treatment.
* Over 200,000 medicines have been released most of which are now withdrawn. According to the World Health Organisation, 240 medicines are ‘essential’.
* Thousands of drugs passed safe in animals have been withdrawn or banned due to their effect on human health.
* Aspirin fails animal tests, as do digitalis (heart drug), cancer treatments, insulin (causes animal birth defects), penicillin and other safe medicines. They would be banned if results from animal experimentation were accurate.
* When the producers of thalidomide were taken to court, they were aquitted after numerous experts agreed animal tests could not be relied on for human medicine.
* At least 450 methods exist with which we can replace animal experiments.
* Morphine puts humans asleep but excites cats.
* 95% of drugs passed by animal tests are immediately disgarded as useless or dangerous to humans.
* One is six patients in hospital are there because the drug they have taken had been passed safe for us on humans after animal tests.
* Worldwide, at least 22 animals die every second in labs. In the UK one animal dies every five seconds.
* The contraceptive pill causes blood clots in humans but it had the opposite effect in dogs.
* We use aspirin for aches and pains. It causes birth defects mice, rabbits and rats.
* Researchers refused to believe that benzene could cause cancer in humans because it failed to in animal tests.
* Dogs failed to predict heart problems caused by the cardiovascular drugs encainide and flecainide, which led to an estimated 3,000 deaths in the USA.
* Heart by pass surgery was put on hold for years because it didn’t work on dogs.
* If we had relied on animal tests we would still believe that humans don’t need vitamin C, that smoking doesn’t cause cause cancer and alcohol doesn’t cause liver damage.
* It was denied for decades that asbestos caused disease in humans because it didn’t in animals.
* Polio researchers were mislead for years about how we catch the disease because they had experimented on monkeys.
* As one researcher points out, “the ultimate dilemma with any animal model of human disease is that it can never reflect the human situation with complete accuracy."


And also i think it is important to consider the PCRM (Physicians Commitee for Responsible Medicine). This includes already qualified professionals, aside to those who have already had their say against animal testing, who believe in humane testing.
This means not on animals, or humans.

This kind of argument doesn't have an exact right or wrong, it can't be resolved to make both sides happy.

However, my opinion is that its completely wrong to test on animals.
It may be easier and cheaper for the big companies to use animals who can't object to their research, but whats the difference in having a persons consent and an animals?

We all feel pain, who's to say animals don't feel just as much? Animals scream too.

You test to make it better. And we're not just talking about beauty products here, either. Lots of medicines are tested on animals to make sure they work effectively before being used on human patients.

personally i think testinbg on animals is a cruel alternative to many other ways im sure the government has to test products.
If they tested on humans they'd be called lunatics, whats different about testing on animals!!! they feel pain aswell.

animal testing is wrong now and will always be wrong!We torture animals so we can feel safe when we shampoo our hair or put on lipstick. If there is any doubt that the product isn't safe further testing isn;t needed

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Originally posted by Pirate_Pimp:
With stem cell research they can accomplish everything they could with animal testing and way more.

They dont need to research on animals anymore.

One little problem, our beloved president is doing all he can to stall stem cell research. Also, I have serious doubts that stem cells could replace animals in a lot of research.

Um, Fur, I'd check those facts if I were you. Do you really think scientists would still be using animals if all that was true? Where the hell did you get those anyway? PETA? Now THERE'S an unbiased source.

Anyway, elphabelle, seeing as you're new I won't go totally ballistic on you but pleas PLEASE if you're going to do a poll at least pretend you're doing it in a fair manner? Thank you ever so much.

Oh and until all you people against animal testing show up and the lab door and offer to take their places, live with it.

I'm with Saturnmoth on the acceptable reasons though, lip stick doesn't seen like a good enough cause to me.

i dont think animal testing is cruel and wrong... i know it is!
in reply 2 ChaosSplintered comment...

(1) Less than 2% of human illnesses (1.16%) are ever seen in animals.
(2) According to the former scientific executive of Huntingdon Life Sciences, animal tests and human results agree only '5%-25% of the time'.
(3) 95% of drugs passed by animal tests are immediately discarded as useless or dangerous to humans.
(4) At least 50 drugs on the market cause cancer in laboratory animals. They are allowed because it is admitted the animal tests are not relevant.
) 9% of anaesthetised animals, intended to recover, die.
Lemon juice is a deadly poison, but arsenic, hemlock and botulin are safe according to animal tests.

look at the FACTS before you critise
no matter waht anyone tells you, animal testin is cruel and unbenificial, my job is to help look in2 tests on animals and help close down labs, if you wld like 2 try and tell me that i am wrong about any of this feel free, i dont mind ppl tellin my how to do my job, just make sure u get facts not fiction yeh?

Oooh touchy issue!
I'm a bit torn because I of course abhor the mistreatment of animals but if the research done can save lives ....

I'll research it but if in the mean time you want to sign a petition against it go to...

www.thepetitionsite.com