And you also didn't give me any reasons as to how the tiger deserved to have it's teeth and claws ripped out.

And that can happen to animals too. But you didn't answer my questions. Does any of that happen to a fetus?

Do fetuses have their skulls ripped open & their brains vaccumed out? Yes.

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I agree with marine16. when women go through with abortions they are deniying that unborn child the right to life. They didn't do anything to the women, but they were killed anyways. is that really fair? No.

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I hear alot of talk about animal rights.

The way I see it once animals form a bill of rights and it is accepted by the US government I will agree with animal rights. Till then I will deny them rights.

Do fetuses have their teeth and claws ripped out? Are fetuses tied up with chains so heavy it digs into their flesh? Are fetuses starved to death? Do fetuses have their feet ripped off and played around with? Are fetuses skinned to make rugs?

I don't think so. Fetuses are lucky. They can't feel. Animals can.

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Sorry, my tears are reserved for more deserving things.

When you're right, pal, you're right.

Sorry, my tears are reserved for more deserving things.

http://www.cryingdog.org/

Look at that tiger and tell me it deserves it. I actually cried when I saw it.

Hello people, if you don't know who I am, you should

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Well, you liberals deny babies their right life when you allow for abortion and you liberals deny people their right to life when they are handicapped like Terri Schiavo. You you liberals are denying them their rights, you should be ashamed of yoruselves.

One of the things I hate most is when people generalize a certain group of people. Yes, I consider myself a liberal/democrat/etc., but I am undecided on abortion and right-to-life issues directly because of my stances on animal rights (that the innocent should be protected from cruelty) And there is a growing number of pro-life democrats. So your notion that all liberals and democrats are pro-abortion is way off-base. And there are people who are conservative and pro-animal rights. Check out this article from the magazine American Conservative (it's in a pdf format so you can only view it if you have an adobe acrobat reader) : http://www.cok.net/files/scully050523.pdf And also check out http://www.matthewscully.com

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And people are uncomfortabley close in Japan, get over it.

Do they live in their own filth and have to breathe ammonia (from the waste) that burns their lungs? Are they branded with a flaming hot piece of metal? Are they bred to grow so large that they can hardly stand upright or even mate (as is the case with poultry)? Are they impregnanted over and over again so their offspring can be killed? There is no comparison here. Japanese people aren't contained in a certain area, they can go where they want to, while animals farmed in intensive farming operations cannot. They often don't even see the sun until they are shipped off to slaughter (and there is no requirement for animals shipped in trucks to have food or water or heating or cooling, no matter how hot or cold it is).

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animal rights are not as big of an issue as peta makes it. there are more important things in the world then seals being beaten to death with metal rods

This kind of reminds me of what happened to Montel Williams when he would do shows on animal welfare. People would go up to him and say things like "you should care more about people than animals" or "are you going to do all your shows about animals instead of people now?" and he said the reason he does those shows is because these issues affect us all. People who abuse animals are more likely to abuse people, it's been proven many times over by law enforcement officials in domestic abuse and murder cases. And it's not like you can only focus on one issue at a time, I am also concerned with the environment, food safety, poverty, world hunger, and other issues. Since I have loved animals my entire life, protecting animals is an important issue to me. Unnecessary abuse (like the seal hunt) should be stopped.

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No you can't, because why would a hampster ever be sad?

My hamsters are suicidal. One jumped off my cousin's shoulder and cracked his head open, another jumped into a toilet and one chewed a hole in it's leg and bled to death.

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My dog gets upset when she hears loud voices. When people yell, she runs away or becomes submissive. She does have feelings and reacts to the situation.

My dog barks and bites whoever's yelling the loudest. But that's just because she's dumb and needs anger management. If Paris Hilton's dog can have a psychiatrist, my dog can have an anger management councelor.

My dog gets upset when she hears loud voices. When people yell, she runs away or becomes submissive. She does have feelings and reacts to the situation.

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I can tell when my pet rock is happy and sad. Does that mean I should start rallying for rock rights?

haha...my bush in the front yard gets upset too sometimes....

I can tell when my pet rock is happy and sad. Does that mean I should start rallying for rock rights?

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Can't you see it? I can tell when my pets (hamsters) are sad, mad, happy or whatever

No you can't, because why would a hampster ever be sad?

They're sad for instance, when they want to play, but I can't at that moment, they stand by their door, nudging the handle with their nose and you can tell that they're sad.

I agree with some of the opinions, that Animal Rights aren't top priority, but they are existant.

i agree with celtic, animal rights are not as big of an issue as peta makes it. there are more important things in the world then seals being beaten to death with metal rods

I only care of animal rights if they are being severly abused or if they are an endangered species. Other than that, I don't care at all. There are more important issues to adress.

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Can't you see it? I can tell when my pets (hamsters) are sad, mad, happy or whatever

No you can't, because why would a hampster ever be sad?

Yeah, clpo13, they can. Can't you see it? I can tell when my pets (hamsters) are sad, mad, happy or whatever. They may be unintelligent, but they have feelings.

Wow! Animals can feel? I'm shocked and amazed. [/sarcasm]

Yeah, but we're not about to go over to Japan and physically move people away from each other, are we? We can give these animals their own space, we're just too lazy and too concerned about money to do it.
They feel great? I'm sure some of them do. But what about the ones who are mistreated? Those are the ones I'm talking about. Why do we not care about all of the animals?

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The way some livestock is treated in this country is disgusting, packed too closely together with no regard for how the animals feel about their situation

And people are uncomfortabley close in Japan, get over it. besides, these cows are bread in captivity, it is all they know - so they aren't miserable. As far as you know the animals feel great about it.