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Picture of Shade
Registered: December 27, 2006
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I don't know what I can say to you guys to convince you to click this link, except that hundreds of wolves could die if we don't do something! This is, important to me. The US Fish & Wildilfe Service is trying to take wolves in the northwest off of the endangered species list!

We're already fighting to stop cruel forms of murder of wolves, and now they propose this! I do not understate when I say that. Wolves are fed poisoned meat, and shot outright, but the most common form is running them down in the air, and when they tire, shoot them in cold blood.

Does that seem right to you?

Wolves are being attacked on all fronts and it feels like we can't do a damn thing about it. I don't care if you think they're "just animals." You don't have to think they're special to care about them. They're not game animals, and they're hardly a threat to us if we follow certain courtesies, such as not wiping out their food supply so they can live on their own and not on ours [such as cattle, ranchers' main complaint].

Please, please people! If you listen to nothing else I say, listen to the issue I care MOST about. They're going to die, and we can stop it...

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This hurts me more than anything else, because Wolf has been my spirit guide, since I was just a kid, but what can I feel if I can't save them from dying?

-Shade


...a Wandering Star for whom the black darkness has been reserved forever...
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Registered: February 22, 2004
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They deserve the right to fight back.


or in the words of Robin Williams... "You have the right to bear arms or the right to arm bears, whatever the hell you want!"

okay so it's wolves not bears but my point remains this statement is mildlt ridiculus


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Registered: October 08, 2007
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i dont really know whats goin on with our government but killing innocent wolves in inhumane ways is the dumbest thing since President Clinton. Wolves lived here before us and were taking their home away. They deserve the right to fight back. I will be happy when i hear that people who kill them for sport die from being attacked. Its their own stupidity. Wolves deserve to live and we can make that happen


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Registered: December 27, 2006
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They are a heck of a lot more peacful than us humans. the most they have ever destroyed was the bodies of a few deer.

Since humans have invaded their territory, setting up ranch boundaries for roaming cattle, the wolves have become more defensive. As we hunt in the hills, we drive away the food source that was primarially theirs, and they are forced to come down to the ranchers and take food from them.


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Registered: October 10, 2007
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This just plain makes me upset... I mean hunting for a reason is one thing, but this is just wrong. I sent that letter, I'm glad that they had a bit of it already typed cause mine probably wouldn't be so nice. Thats essentially genocide for animals. I'm also a little upset seeing as my guardian spirit is the wolf, so its kinda personal.


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Registered: September 14, 2007
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What do they have against the wolves? What have they done? They are a heck of a lot more peacful than us humans. the most they have ever destroyed was the bodies of a few deer. We are destroying the whole world. Do you see the logic?


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Registered: December 27, 2006
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Hey guys. It's happening again... Or I should say it's still happening. Even if you don't sign this letter, just click the link and watch the movie. If you don't like watching living things die, then...don't watch it. I know I ask this a lot, but I really care. One more time for Shade...

Save the wolves


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Because obviously there is a strong movement to restore the wolves. Not only that, but if they did begin to wipe them out again they'd quickly go right back into protection. They're a high profile species.

I hope you're right.

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My point was that the people who will shoot them if it's downgraded are already likely shooting them now.

Yes, I know, which is why they should be spending their energy concerning wolves on stopping that instead of taking away more protection.


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Registered: January 15, 2003
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I can't help but get all hippy-ish and saddened when wolves are being killed, whether they are endangered or not. It's not because they're cute, it's because I have a spiritual connection with them too. It's like watching family being killed and not being able to do anything about it.
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Basis of this statement?


Because obviously there is a strong movement to restore the wolves. Not only that, but if they did begin to wipe them out again they'd quickly go right back into protection. They're a high profile species.

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You...are wrong. People don't just kill wolves becaue they're being threatened. Often, they don't give the wolves time enough to threaten them. Wolves aren't used to humans; they don't like humans, and they would much rather stay away from them. If you see a wolf, it will more likely leave than attack you, unless you are the one acting threatening.


Sorry that's not what I meant, my words were confusing. I was talking about downgrading the Grey Wolf from and endangered species to a threatened species under the ESA. My point was that the people who will shoot them if it's downgraded are already likely shooting them now.


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Registered: December 27, 2006
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So what if the wolves have recovered enough so that they're no longer an endangered species?

The thing is, they haven't. They're barely able to be considered "not endangered" anymore. With the title being taken off of them, it will allow for legal killings of wolves to begin in states we're trying to reintroduce them into.

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If we take them off the list, they're not going to be in danger of getting wiped out to the point of extinction again.

Basis of this statement?

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But, now that they've been taken off the endangered species list and bumped down to threatened, it's open season for many in the north.

They're not gone yet. That's the whole point of this post.

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The people who would kill wolves if they were threatened are the same ones who are killing them now despite thier protected status.

You...are wrong. People don't just kill wolves becaue they're being threatened. Often, they don't give the wolves time enough to threaten them. Wolves aren't used to humans; they don't like humans, and they would much rather stay away from them. If you see a wolf, it will more likely leave than attack you, unless you are the one acting threatening.

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If the reintroduction has worked, and wolves are up to healthy population levels, why not delist them?

It hasn't worked! They haven't been completely reintroduced into Idaho yet, or Washington or Oregon. Only a few ( like, two ) sightings have occured on the borders of Idaho and Washington/Oregon. The reintroduction is far from complete.


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Registered: March 13, 2002
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The Gray Wolves that have been introduced into the U.S. do not deserve to be hunted and killed. But, now that they've been taken off the endangered species list and bumped down to threatened, it's open season for many in the north. We pulled this same stunt over six decades ago and killed almost all of them.


What? No we didn't. The ESA wasn't enacted until the 1970's. The previous overhunting was due to unrestricted killing and misguided wildlife management in National Parks.

If wolves are de-listed you're not going to see a near extinction kill off. The people who would kill wolves if they were threatened are the same ones who are killing them now despite thier protected status.

If the reintroduction has worked, and wolves are up to healthy population levels, why not delist them? The ESA is not for protecting animals we think are cute or majestic. It's for protecting legitimately endangered species.


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Registered: November 03, 2003
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The Gray Wolves that have been introduced into the U.S. do not deserve to be hunted and killed. But, now that they've been taken off the endangered species list and bumped down to threatened, it's open season for many in the north. We pulled this same stunt over six decades ago and killed almost all of them.

Shade, I understand that your feelings for wolves, and I think these some ways you can prove your point to any non-believer in wolf restoration and preservation.

For one, tune into the National Geographic Channel tonight at 8:00 or 9:00. There's a documentary on a man who, like the Grizzly Man, chose to live among wolves and taught them how to hunt and survive. They may also release it on DVD soon after it airs tonight, and check the National Geographic's Website for films and articles on wolves.

Also, look for the Discovery Channel Documentary "Living With Wolves". It's about the Sawtooth Pack that was raised in Idaho by a nature filmographer and details what wolves are like as a pack. I highly recommend this one.

Last but not least, DON'T WRITE TO PETA. They're too wrapped up in their lame crusades to even consider helping wild wolves. Write to Congress and the NRA, which I am doing, and tell them to stop hunting wolves.

Keep fighting for the wolves. They deserve to be here.

SilverWerewolf


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Registered: January 15, 2006
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Hell yes we should keep them on there just because they're pretty!


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So what if the wolves have recovered enough so that they're no longer an endangered species? Should we keep them on there just because they're pretty? If we take them off the list, they're not going to be in danger of getting wiped out to the point of extinction again.


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Registered: February 22, 2004
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I'm to busy volunteering at a wolf preserve near my home

still this is an awesome way to help out a species that deserves a hand

ps shade high five for having a wolf as a spirit guide!


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Registered: December 27, 2006
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Thank you guys; this makes me feel so happy.


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Registered: January 15, 2006
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I sent the petition, too, and emailed it to like 30 people. Smile


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I sent the petition. Smile


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