I hear alot of talk about animal rights.

The way I see it once animals form a bill of rights and it is accepted by the US government I will agree with animal rights. Till then I will deny them rights.

AnimalActivist, why write "don't abuse animals" then cross it out? Was that intentional?

I think animals have rights just as I do. They are intricate and have minds! I think that abusing animals is wrong and whoever does it needs to be punished. But the punishments for animal abuse are to small! Our government needs to give some serious thought on this!
DON'T ABUSE ANIMALS!!!

some treatment of animals i disagree to...but some things people do to animals are messed up..and thats not right

Let's find if animals kept as pets are slaves (all definitions according the the Oxford English Dictionary, the largest and most trusted dictionary in the world)

Slave: One who is the property of, and entirely subject to, another person, whether by capture, purchase, or birth; a servant completely divested of freedom and personal rights.

Now, what is "one" as used in the definition:

One: individual

What's an individual?

Individual: A single human being, as opposed to Society, the Family, etc.

Okay. So pets are NOT slaves, by this line of logic. By this line of logic, only human beings can be slaves, by definition.

Besides, a pet is, by definition: An animal (typically one which is domestic or tame) kept for pleasure or companionship.

Not to serve you. And a slave is, by definition, entirely subject to. Now, my hamster does pretty much what she likes. Thus she is not my slave.

lol, yeah was this person serious?

True but I was able to turn it in to a good gag

I am very much for animal rights. I love all animals, especially members of the smaller phyla in the animal kingdom. However, an animal bill of rights....? Forgive me, I'm a little dumbfounded and in awe of such a pointless, idiotic, and completely thoughtless suggestion. They don't need a bill of rights!!! They need laws protecting them, but not a bill of rights.
Perhaps you'd like to dress up 55 hampsters, puppies, kittens, and snakes in little colonial uniforms and have a constitutional convention out in your backyard. Boots Washington and Lassie Jefferson can make poo on a piece of wax paper and call it the world's first animal bill of rights - only in America.

BE REALISTIC. People need stricter laws denoting that they are not to treat animals cruelly. More nature preserves and parks need to be set up. PLEASE, Stop wasting everybody's time suggesting that animals need a bill of rights and do something for the environment in your community. Go out and catch stray cats. Spay them, neuter them, and release them. That's what they do at the animal shelter I volunteer at. This ensures that they live out their lives happily and don't have a litter of kittens every few months to add to the stray problem. That only means more suffering for more cats being born ferally.

Next time, give thought to your ideas and sound intelligent rather than say the first thing that comes to mind and look foolish... because you do. animal bill of rights???? HOW MINDLESSLY CHILDISH!

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And a slave IS a person:
Im not sure why someone felt the need to argue that a slave is not a person. If slaves were not people slavery would not have been banned on human rights reasons. Oh, and to correct my self to the pedantic person, if it belongs to the species homo sapiens it is a person, and slaves do indeed fit this requirement.

according to slavers they are property in the grade of cattle

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OK, what about adopted children? They are bought, are they not?

Im pretty sure they're not. U dont go to the orphan children shop and buy one. U pay for agency fees to find a child 2 adopt blah blah, but I have never seen a sign at the side of the road saying "children for sale".
And a human can not be a pet, as the dictionary definition is an animal kept for amusement or companionship. (and that is animal per se, not the textbook animal definition)

And a slave IS a person:
Im not sure why someone felt the need to argue that a slave is not a person. If slaves were not people slavery would not have been banned on human rights reasons. Oh, and to correct my self to the pedantic person, if it belongs to the species homo sapiens it is a person, and slaves do indeed fit this requirement.

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To protect them from cruel treatment, yes

slew animals do need protection but they 1. don't need a bill of rights or a goverment which is what a bill of rights implys

conversation from animal congress:

ooohhh boy Senator Rex (D-M) just bit Congresscat snowball (C-CA) and Senator MangaKitten (C-SC) just ate Congressbird Featherball (B-F) and this legislative session is not off to a goo... oh no the rep from the US Postal Service just walked in and yup their goes half the dogs attending...

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N wtf is that sht about beating seals to death with metal rods. Do people do this? Yeah there is more important stuff, but those people r fcked up in the head. Im pretty sure they invented something called a gun if they really want to eat seal. N if u beat up ur dog uve got masculinity problems n u need therapy any way.

See this website about the seal hunt: http://www.protectseals.org

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only if I can make one of the signers in to a meal would I agree to this I mean love your pets but really they are freakin animals think about your dog (if you have one) this is the animal who goes for the fake throw evey time do they really need goverment reps?

To protect them from cruel treatment, yes. http://www.hsus.org/legislation_laws/ http://www.hsus.org/legislation_laws/citizen_lobbyist_c...he_humane_scorecard/

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If u disaprove of this damage the trick would be to SELL THE CAT.
If the cat is not your property you should not have paid the person you did not buy it from money.
If the cat is not your property and I remove it from not your possesion I am not stealing it, and so you cannot have me arrested, which u may indeed find displeasing.

OK, what about adopted children? They are bought, are they not? And they do not share the same genes as their parents. Does that make adopted children property and/or pets?

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Originally posted by EarthGoddess:

I have two cats. I don't own them, they own me. I clean up after them, I brush them, I buy them toys, I buy them food, I give them clean water everyday, I scoop their litter box and I let them sleep in my bed. What do they do for me? Not a damn thing. They're the most useless animals on the planet. They've destroyed my mom's plants, ripped up carpet and brought dead birds into the house. I serve them and the little bastards are very aware of that. I paid for them, but they are not property. They're my children. My spoiled but lovable little children.

If u disaprove of this damage the trick would be to SELL THE CAT.
If the cat is not your property you should not have paid the person you did not buy it from money.
If the cat is not your property and I remove it from not your possesion I am not stealing it, and so you cannot have me arrested, which u may indeed find displeasing.
I refered to dogs having this symbiotic relationship with humans, not cats as they do not.
Child refers to offsping, and would require them having a blend of 50/50 yours/husbands genes, which im afraid to say, unless u r a cat, is not possible. They are a PET OK.

only if I can make one of the signers in to a meal would I agree to this I mean love your pets but really they are freakin animals think about your dog (if you have one) this is the animal who goes for the fake throw evey time do they really need goverment reps?

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Originally posted by ThatSmartQueenB:
If the government ever made a bill for animal rights, I'll be for it. Animals need love too

...are you serious. If we have an Alexander Hamilton who is really a HAMilton, then I'll be scared. (Okay...bad joke. I know.)

I'd like to see the stinking animals sign this Bill of Rights.

If the government ever made a bill for animal rights, I'll be for it. Animals need love too

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Humans however are nothing of the sort, slavery was a domination of people against their will on pain of death etc. It is NOT the same.

Slaves were property, sold and bought at auctions and bred like dogs. They were just beasts of burden like horses.


I have two cats. I don't own them, they own me. I clean up after them, I brush them, I buy them toys, I buy them food, I give them clean water everyday, I scoop their litter box and I let them sleep in my bed. What do they do for me? Not a damn thing. They're the most useless animals on the planet. They've destroyed my mom's plants, ripped up carpet and brought dead birds into the house. I serve them and the little bastards are very aware of that. I paid for them, but they are not property. They're my children. My spoiled but lovable little children.

So anything that stands on two legs is considered a person?

A kangaroo is a person? A Tyrannasaurus Rex was a person? Monkeys are people? Gorillas? Chickens? Meerkats? Birds?

And yes, people do this. It's called "seal clubbing." It's one of the only ways to murder a baby seal without ruining the fur. Shooting the seal would get blood all over the fur. They don't do it to eat seal.

Sif, the difference is that dogs are a evolutionary branch of the wolf which grew to become dependant on humans. The deal used to be that man would use the dog as a hunting aid, protection, company etc and the dog would be guaranteed food & a home etc. Buying a dog invokes this deal, and the dog is indeed property (the dog could of cause choose to run away to terminate the deal if it feels this is best).

Humans however are nothing of the sort, slavery was a domination of people against their will on pain of death etc. It is NOT the same. And yes SLAVES WERE PEOPLE, if they live standing on two legs their freaking people OK.

N wtf is that sht about beating seals to death with metal rods. Do people do this? Yeah there is more important stuff, but those people r fcked up in the head. Im pretty sure they invented something called a gun if they really want to eat seal. N if u beat up ur dog uve got masculinity problems n u need therapy any way.

Neither were human slaves. Hence why they were considerd slaves.

My point is, you should treat your animal that you own -- and thus are responsible for -- with as much respect as you would a family member. I own my dog, but I consider her a part of the family. Does that mean I don't make her lay on the floor? Course not. But it means I'd never abuse her or otherwise purposefully mistreat her.