I was reading on Slashdot about how some Neuroscience places had to close down, and this came up;
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7562800910863882593&q=bullshit+peta

Watch it, and all of you PETA supporters, have fun.
Oh, and yes, there will be swearing.
Oh, and yes, Penn and Teller are (censor) awesome.

It pisses me off how animal rights groups intimidate scientists with death threats on their families to prevent medical research that they themselves wouldn't think twice about benefiting from.

I'm vegetarian because I find cow farts highly offensive.

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Originally posted by emokid:
why is everyone against peta? at least there doing something about it. so what if you don't think there doing EVERYTHING there saying, at least there doing more than most people!

Lay off them!!

They believe in emotional abuse, its easy to get people on board if you're gonna say look heres a cow being slaughtered.

hahahaha
what a joke.

are you vegetarian emokid? I'm guessing because it's an emo fad to be vege that's why you are, but you let me know if i'm wrong.
Basically, you've been engulfed by the peta bullshit also, you'll probably learn oneday.

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Originally posted by Asha:
I think that we as humans should take responsibility to make shure that animals have a spot in this world too. I think that we shouldnt treat them the way that we do because they were here before us.So how can we just come and push them out of their homes.I love animals and if I have to I will spend my whole life making shure that they are treated better. That's all that i have to say and I kno that someone out there agrees with me.

Asha, I agree with making an animals life better also. But remember that eating animals isn't taking out their spot in the world, its letting them have the spot that naturally they would have. The western worlds indulgence has caused animal cruelty. Humans nature is to eat for survival, if you were given the option to die or kill an animal and eat it what would you do?
There is no need to starve yourself for the sake of the animals, we are the top of the food chain and in order to be a human we must maintain being there.
I'm vegan because in my society i don't need to come animal produce to survive.
I dont believe in inhumane choices, like slaughtering animals for the sake of burger king. But that is not any single persons fault, its the western culture, to indulge and compete. That's a whole other thing you have to tackle.

I think that we as humans should take responsibility to make shure that animals have a spot in this world too. I think that we shouldnt treat them the way that we do because they were here before us.So how can we just come and push them out of their homes.I love animals and if I have to I will spend my whole life making shure that they are treated better. That's all that i have to say and I kno that someone out there agrees with me.

research causes cancer in rats? Be more specific? What kind of research? How did you find this out? By doing research? Then you've caused cancer in rats. It was all your fault.

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why is everyone against peta? at least there doing something about it. so what if you don't think there doing EVERYTHING there saying, at least there doing more than most people!

Lay off them!!

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This is what I don't understand: PETA is supposedly against spaying/neutering and euthanasia, yet they perform them just the same. I'd be happier if they just came out and said it was all right so these crazy PETA supporters would stop picketing animal shelters.

^ PETA is not against spaying or nuetering, inact they have a campaign FOR it. It's just as cruel to allow a homeless overpopulation of animals to occur just as it would to allow human children.

Heh, that was funny LTR.

Anyways, I found out recently that the deforestation of the rain forest in Brazil is largely caused by soy bean farmers, who clear the land to plant soy beans for export. Tofu is made from soy beans. Heck, many vegetarian and vegan foods are made of soy beans.

Interesting how vegetables are partly to blame for one of the worst crimes against the environment anywhere, isn't it now?

Granted, the farmers are really to blame, but it's still pretty interesting.

I think it is time I brought some olde english to this thread...

http://www.oldeenglish.org/podcast/steven-the-vegan

I dont disagree with the fact that people chose to eat meat, I'm not a fascist, my point is in respect to our life, diet, health and survival we don't need meat.
I do understand that point but I am not arguing human choice I am arguing human need.

I am also an activist, it is my job in society to promote my belief because I believe that vegetarianism is the future. If Einstein never said anything about the theory of relativity than nobody would know anything of the sort, And just as einstein, I have given you Veganism, I have proven the arguement that humankind does not need to live on animal consumption, no one has proven that we do not need to (This has nothing to do with WANTS, again i repeat I know humankind has a choice and I know many people chose to eat meat, I also know many people have not been given the truth of what is in their futures, or what is in their burgers, mind you)

You can not contest my arguement unless you have something as valid in the reply, and until somebody can contest that humankinds future, as is best for the environment and our world and our health that we will be vegetarian, I do not have anything else to say to you either.

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Originally posted by VeganCath:
Yes there is, it has nothing on the arguement that being a Vegan is the future, that it's healthier and will prolongue our lifestyles, that humanity in society now should not be killing animals because we can live without eating them.

Choice trumps everything else.

Look at it this way: I don't need to go to school. I don't need to be happy. I don't need to even live. Yet I still go to school, I'm still happy, and I'm still alive. Why? Because I want to. Not because I need to, but because I want to.

Just so, you can tell me all you want that I don't need to eat meat, yet I still will. Because I want to. To deny me that choice is to violate the fundamental right that I have to make my own decisions. I will not let you violate that right. Until you understand that, I really have nothing else to say to you.

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Well if that was the case then my oh my you must be a quiet person.

I can talk with out promoting my beliefs.

I understand that media influences me and other people. However I try and control that by constantly examining my beliefs. I will defend my beliefs but I don't promote them. I don't believe I have ever told anyone what to believe.

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Originally posted by LoveTheRainbow:

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You explain to me, how you would promot veganism and vegetarianism.. hmm?

Actually I take my previous statement back. I disagree with promoting at all. I think people should leave other people and their choices alone.

Well if that was the case then my oh my you must be a quiet person.
Think about how many times in a day you subconsciously advice someone to do something, or how many times you have been told something by someone and it influences you.
There is no way in leaving people and their choices along because peoples choices and opinions and views often change due to what they have been told, what they have read, waht they see.

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You explain to me, how you would promot veganism and vegetarianism.. hmm?

Actually I take my previous statement back. I disagree with promoting at all. I think people should leave other people and their choices alone.

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Originally posted by LoveTheRainbow:
I don't disagree with Vegan/Vegitarianism. I disagree with the way you are informing people about it.

I disagree with people standing outside McDonalds screaming "murderer" at people walking out.

You explain to me, how you would promot veganism and vegetarianism.. hmm?

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LTR, apparantly you didnt read all the wonderfull good points to living an animal-free diet, see the post below yours.

As a matter of fact I did read them.

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No, I think now it is time you stop trying to find excuses and re-asses your diet.

My diet? You have no idea what my diet is. As a matter of fact I only eat meat because my parents force me. I think meat is rather disguesting. I think its time you stop making assumptions.

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And it is more than easy to suppliment Iron

But many don't.

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what is the average life span of a meat eater LTR?

I honestly don't know.

I don't disagree with Vegan/Vegitarianism. I disagree with the way you are informing people about it.

Ampmaster, pardon me for saying but I've given my side now, you can't just keep escaping a reply by asking me for more because you have nothing valid. It's now your turn to answer:

Why humanity couldnt live without animal produce?

I'd like to point out the activity in life is what results in activity in age and that people have healthly lived to over 100 on what most would consider poor diets. (It's also commonly thought in the community that it's immune system strength that primarily results in longevity. So that would mean that it doesn't matter about our dietary differances if my immune system is stronger I'll live longer barring falling off a cliff or some such

CDC reccommends that all diets are kept at a proper balance. One menthod to do this is portioning. On an average plate of food 1/3 should be a lean meat. and the rest should be vegetation of some form, preferably fresh and with a light dressing if so you choose.

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that in terms of evolution Vegans and Vegetarians will live fuller healthier lives

Evolutionary? not close the ability to survive is what matters most and in an enviroment with predators (other humans for example) the vegan societies that you describe being smaller of build would be more likely to be killed off first.

Next: BMI is one of the more thrown off measurements of health so I wouldn't trust it if I were you.

And all both the studies your presented in your second post say is that it may do this, this and this but we need more evidence. Hardly conclusive anything

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my point is perfectly proven.

not really. The majority of those studies note that they are inconclusive and that more information is required so please take your carrots and shove it

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Originally posted by LoveTheRainbow:

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heavy flesh-eating and short life expectancy

I direct your attention to the word "heavy". Anything in excess is not good for you. To be healthy you need to have a fairly balanced diet. Moderate consumption of meat is not bad for you.

Vegan/Vegitarianism can be healthy but you need to make sure you are getting required vitamins that you can only get through animal products, like vitamin A, B12, and D. This has already been mentioned but most vegan/vegitarians are lacking in Iron.

LTR, apparantly you didnt read all the wonderfull good points to living an animal-free diet, see the post below yours. If you weigh it up, my point is perfectly proven. Need i emphasize more? No, I think now it is time you stop trying to find excuses and re-asses your diet.

And it is more than easy to suppliment Iron, please explain to me also how someone can live 90-100 years of age, such as Russian Caucasians, the Yucatan Indians, the East Indian To-das and the Pakistan Hunzakuts, if this "lacking in iron" is so horrific, what is the average life span of a meat eater LTR?

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heavy flesh-eating and short life expectancy

I direct your attention to the word "heavy". Anything in excess is not good for you. To be healthy you need to have a fairly balanced diet. Moderate consumption of meat is not bad for you.

Vegan/Vegitarianism can be healthy but you need to make sure you are getting required vitamins that you can only get through animal products, like vitamin A, B12, and D. This has already been mentioned but most vegan/vegitarians are lacking in Iron.