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Picture of Shade
Registered: December 27, 2006
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Where this used to be true, we've overbalanced everything. What I find funny, is that most of the time humanity would rather think we're seperate from Nature, but it has it's little random spurts of people spouting out comments like these. If you believe we're part of the Cycle of life and death, then I strongly suggest you also believe we're animals, we're part of this earth ( not the world, the earth ). Humans dominate. It's their defining trait. Domination and conquering. Where is that part of nature? There's no one to balance us out.


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Its all part of the survival of the fitest, we are the stronger animal so we'll kill the weaker ones. Its all part of the cycle.


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The only reason this is even an issue is that seals are cute and fuzzy.

I think they're pretty ugly. Seriously. Up there with walruses and elephants, and also pigs.

But honestly, Triss, if there's a more "humane" way of doing things, shouldn't we at least try? Thanks for posting that, clpo. Weapon regulations is a step closer to being more efficient, but there's no limit to human barbaricy. ( also: *points to signature* ) I can't say I'm surprised by what's happening to other animals, but I am sad that there's little I can do about it.


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Registered: January 16, 2003
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Sorry YV, but you are an exception to the rule.


What you just said makes me think of more things than you know. Anyways, I'm off topic. Thanks.


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Registered: October 22, 2006
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Sorry YV, but you are an exception to the rule.


J'irai bien.
Picture of YouthVoice
Registered: January 16, 2003
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Yep Kate, thats exactly it, if seals were the ugliest things on the earth, nobody would give a damn.


Wrong. Don't generalize Triss. I still would care and be against it.


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Registered: November 05, 2004
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Do you blame them for being cheap? And in reality, is it really more efficient?


Not really to the first. And since the pelts are really important to the hunters, clubs would be preferable. Nothing ruins the value of a pelt than a big hole in it. Any game hunter would agree with that.

Interestingly enough, there are quite a number of regulations used to keep the seal hunt less cruel, as it were. It's not a "kill any seal you see and skin it alive" free-for-all.


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Registered: October 22, 2006
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Yep Kate, thats exactly it, if seals were the ugliest things on the earth, nobody would give a damn.


J'irai bien.
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Registered: May 18, 2006
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The only reason this is even an issue is that seals are cute and fuzzy. If we were talking about catfish, no one would care. And I'm sure that it is the safest and most economical method of doing things.


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Registered: October 22, 2006
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Originally posted by clpo13:
Some hunters do use guns. But why pay for ammunition when you can just use a blunt object? I think most Canadian hunters are just cheapskates.


Do you blame them for being cheap? And in reality, is it really more efficient?


J'irai bien.
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Registered: January 16, 2004
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I don't honestly know what I would suggest other than clubs. I've never hunted anything and as a result know little about effective and practical methods for killing things in the field.


L'enfer, c'est les autres. -Jean-Paul Sartre
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Some hunters do use guns. But why pay for ammunition when you can just use a blunt object? I think most Canadian hunters are just cheapskates.


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Registered: October 22, 2006
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Originally posted by finn620:
If the hunting is sustainable and carried out with some regard for humane treatment of animals, then okay. But they really should be capable of using something a little less barbaric than clubs.


What would you suggest other than clubs? I mean you hit fish over the head, shoot deer. Think about a deer, you shoot it and if you don't hit it right it runs off and bleeds to death and you follow the blood trail to catch it once it colapses. This isn't that human either, but its more exceptable than hiting seals over the head. Like I said before you get hit in the head that hard, its going to knock you out, I doubt after the initial blow they feel anything.


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If the hunting is sustainable and carried out with some regard for humane treatment of animals, then okay. But they really should be capable of using something a little less barbaric than clubs.


L'enfer, c'est les autres. -Jean-Paul Sartre
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Registered: October 28, 2005
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its not their fault they're so hard to kill.

hehe


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Really its not like they're trying to make them suffer, its not their fault they're so hard to kill.


I disagree with this statement Triss. I think that if you are going to dedicate to hunting you should do everything in your power to do things as humanly as possible. I don't think that things like this should be taken lightly and animals have rights as well. I think that we as human beings have a responsibility towards making sure that these types of things don't happen. We can't just wash our hands and say that it's not their fault. I don't know. That is just my opinion.


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Registered: October 22, 2006
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I watched the video. And yes they're still alive, but in reality I still think its okay. Really its not like they're trying to make them suffer, its not their fault they're so hard to kill.

And I know I sound heartless, but thats my opinon.


J'irai bien.
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Registered: December 27, 2006
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What I have a problem is is the violence. Maybe I didn't make that clear. Triss, they're still alive when they're hit a second and third time, and in the video ( which I keep mentioning for a reason ) one was hooked through its head while still obviously alive.


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Registered: October 22, 2006
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Meh, I have no problem with hunting seals. Yeah I think they should do it humainly, but besides that I think they should go for it. I'm all for hunting, I mean, you bop fish over the head too. And think about it, you get hit in the head that hard it will knock you sensless, so really after the initial blow they aren't going to feel anything at all.


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Registered: November 05, 2004
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You'd think by now that they'd where to hit so death is instant.

Other than the cruelty aspect, I really have no problem with it.


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