Have guys heard of Fuel Cell technology.it's a regenerative way of deriving electricity by splting water into hydrogen and oxygen..furthermore hydrogen is disintegrated into hydrogen protons and electrons(which gives electricity at a stable rate).
True Dr.StrangeLove but if we are going to fill the air with nasty hydrocarbons it might as well be our nasty hydrocarbons until we find something better. It was only a thought anyhoo.
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The problem with vegetable oil is that it's still an OIL, it's a hydrocarbon. You're still going to get methane, CO2, and a bunch of nasty particulates. Especially in a nice inefficient diesel engine.
"Vegetable fuels" brings up nice flowery images of feilds and whatnot. However, it's nothing more than a synthetic petroleum. Plus I've driven diesel vehiciles and they've got some annoying quirks (and no pickup ), so I'm sticking to internal combustion as long as I can afford it (or untill they make a 275+ horsepower electric).
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I was in the middle of responding to this yesterday and my power went out pooh! Anyways I was watching one of those shows on the educational channel or whatever and they had this humvee that could run off of like vegetable oil and hydrogen and oxygen and all this other stuff (not mixed together but seperately). I mean the vegetable oil would definitely stimulate our farming economy and end dependence on other peoples oil and it would smell like fried foods when you drove down the street.
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Oil is a conflict, yes. That's why I believe in vegetable fuel systems! As others have already mention. Vegetable fuel systems allow mechanically injected diesel vehicles to run on straight, filtered vegetable oil. Vegetable oil as fuel is a cleaner, safer and less expensive alternative to petroleum based fuel. It can be locally produced, even grown in your own back yard! (pretty damn niffty!) The Vegetable Oil Conversion System is an auxiliary fuel modification system that allows diesel vehicles to run on straight vegetable oil in any climate. What exactly does it do? It converts your diesel vehicle to run on vegetable oil along with that you can get hand crafted aluminum heated fuel cell Quick-flush switching and 10 micron filter!
NO MORE OIL FOR BLOOD!
And if the oil companys put out these new inventions, start using them to stop these damn oil producers from putting the world to an end sooner than it already will.
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quote: We'll stop using oil when it becomes cheaper to use hydrogen or other alternative fuels than it is to drill oil. Which can't be to far off, when you see BP changing its name from meaning British Petroleum to Beyond Petroleum. I say another two decades, tops.
I'd give it half a century for Hydrogen to be appearing on the market. They have found ways to harness hydrogen, but the storage of hydrogen is still a problem. Its a bit hard to find a way to efficently store hydrogen safely and that's the major project in works I believe for the hydrogen project.
quote: I believe they were meant to run on... was it vegetable oil?
quote:As for antimatter, I'd like to see what would happen if one of THOSE plants had an accident. Horray for total annihilation of a couple of states.
Antimatter. Ugh. *twitch* Hopefully by then I'll be dead that or on a mars colony. *more twitching*
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I just can't believe that it's taken this long for people to realize that we need an alternative to oil! There have been several people to come up with other ideas over the years (at the beginning of the car craze I believe they were meant to run on... was it vegetable oil?)
Ideas and inventions have been put to an end by the oil industires. Inventions destroyed even. The only way for us to really move on is for people to realize that, yes, oil is running out. I've heard/read anywhere from 10-20 years left.
Btw, you two are smart! I was impressed with your responses! lol
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quote: Cold Fusion scares the hell out of me, because it's seeming more and more a possibility and if it is it means that people will be able to make hydrogen bombs in their garage.
If it were that simple then it would already work. You need a large supply of deuturium and palladium as well as a constant power supply. You really can't get a chain reaction going with that unless you have HUGE amounts of power as well as specialized electical equipment and the neccecary components as well. If anyone actually ever tried to do this, they would throw up major red flags, and in all likelyhood would fail terribly. Cold fusion simply can't be used to make a bomb as far as I can tell. And seeing how it's easily possible to build an EMP weapon from the stuff at Radio Shack, and the subsequent lack of EMP bomb usage, I doubt anyone will try it.
As for antimatter, I'd like to see what would happen if one of THOSE plants had an accident. Horray for total annihilation of a couple of states.
quote:We'll stop using oil when it becomes cheaper to use hydrogen or other alternative fuels than it is to drill oil. Which can't be to far off
I'll agree with this. I think we'll be reaching peak oil within the next decade. As to wether hydrogen is the solution, that's yet to be seen.
I find it "interesting" that cold fusion is suddenly look as if it might work now that it appears we're reaching the limits of oil production. But don't let Joey hear about that, or we'll have all sorts of conspiracy theroies on this.
quote:You're right about everything except the enginges, we wouldn't use hydrogen engines, we would use fuel cells to power electric engines, thats how we're doing it right now.
Yes that was sort of a brain fart on my part. (unintentional rhyme). Fuel cells still need some work though.
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quote: My bet is with these new experiments with cold fusion.
Cold Fusion scares the hell out of me, because it's seeming more and more a possibility and if it is it means that people will be able to make hydrogen bombs in their garage.
I prefer anti-matter. 100% fuel efficiency, plus you need a particle accelerator to make it.
We'll stop using oil when it becomes cheaper to use hydrogen or other alternative fuels than it is to drill oil. Which can't be to far off, when you see BP changing its name from meaning British Petroleum to Beyond Petroleum. I say another two decades, tops.
quote: Right now there is near zero infrastructure for producing, distrubuting, and utilizing hydrogen, and the engines and technology needed to make it fesible on a wide scale still aren't developed.
You're right about everything except the enginges, we wouldn't use hydrogen engines, we would use fuel cells to power electric engines, thats how we're doing it right now.
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To answer your question as to when it will happen, it'll come as soon as it's more profitalbe to convert over to hydrogen as opposed to using oil. Right now there is near zero infrastructure for producing, distrubuting, and utilizing hydrogen, and the engines and technology needed to make it fesible on a wide scale still aren't developed.
A hydrogen based economy is still decades away, and it's not the end all of our energy problems either. Production of hydrogen itself requires huge amounts of energy, and we'll have to make the electricity for that somewhere.
My bet is with these new experiments with cold fusion.
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), so I'm sticking to internal combustion as long as I can afford it (or untill they make a 275+ horsepower electric).
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