I dare anyone who looooves red meat to go to www.ogrish.com and watch a video of a cow being slaughtered. Then tell me you love that meat. The stress caused to those poor creatures is totally inhumane and gross.

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Originally posted by clpo13:
The guy in Super-Size Me was a wimp. I can eat a super-sized double quarter-pounder with cheese combo without puking out the side of my car. Jeez.

The only reason I don't frequent McDonald's more is that I can get more food for less at Taco Bell. Can't beat that.

haha i work at taco bell.

I could (and would be all too willing) to hunt and dress deer, especially because they are overpopulated ad absurdium where I live, but wild game is the only meat I could bring myself to eat now. Of course, I don't have a regular source of game and my system isn't used to meat now, so I stick to vegetarianism.

I must say I don't eat Fast Food, because it's disgusting. It has nothing to do with the way they kill animals or what-not. I must say I watched the video and saw the pics and I will still choose to east Red Meat. I'm a meat eater and I'm proud of that. Even though I know that Red Meat doesn't digest well and sits in your stomache for days and rots. I have helped skin deer and kill hogs and have enjoyed in the food they produce for us. I can understand why some people may feel the need not to eat meat, but I must say it helps me live and I can't be guilt tripped into believing it doesn't.

Fast food definitely grosses me out. Now that I've gone a year without meat, meat grosses me out as well.

In 10th grade I basically lived off of french fries and nuggets, as those were the only "edible" things the cafeteria served. I could not look at a nugget without wanting to puke by the end of the year.

Yay, 3000th post!

McNuggets were put on my "Do not eat" list after I bit into one that had this big chewy piece of cartilige in it. I didn't eat a single thing out of my happy meal after that and since then I REFUSED to eat their nuggets. That was when I was like 6 years old. Then, at 15, I decided that the meat from Mickie D's was disgusting. This was confirmed at the age of 17 when I saw Super-Size Me. Now, frankly most fast food grosses me out.

My family does fast food on the way to our boat each week (for the most part). The typical choice is Wendy's which, out of the hardcore fast food restaurants (BK, McDonalds, Taco Bell, etc.) is remotely tolerable. Although, I will only eat their homestyle chicken strips, and even those begin to taste rubbery after the first one. Aside from Wendy's when I absolutely have to, I will only eat Arby's. I really like Panera Bread when I'm in a rush, I get their soup or a panini. We always keep quick, healthy food around my house too. Cereal bars, granola bars, fruit, etc. so I never really have the NEED To eat disgusting fast food...

I can handle McNuggets but I think they put fish in there. I get a hint of fishy taste every once in a while. Otherwise, it's Wendy's. Mmmm, now I'm really hungry .....

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Originally posted by clpo13:
The only reason I don't frequent McDonald's more is that I can get more food for less at Taco Bell. Can't beat that.

Plus it keeps your wallet and your stomach full

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(But, while cattle and pigs are covered in the Humane Slaughter Act, poultry like chickens and turkeys aren't)

I know what you mean. I had to see a video about slaughterhouses and chickens practically don't see anything outside of a cage that is like the size of a matchbox. There should def be something done about that. They just pump them up with chemicals to make them fat and thats it. That is just sick.

The guy in Super-Size Me was a wimp. I can eat a super-sized double quarter-pounder with cheese combo without puking out the side of my car. Jeez.

The only reason I don't frequent McDonald's more is that I can get more food for less at Taco Bell. Can't beat that.

How did this thread manage to slip past me? (Answer: Because I don't visit YN often)

Anyway, I'm surprised that in a topic like this, factory farming hasn't been mentioned at all. These days, it seems to be the case that more often than not, the life of animals raised for food is worse than their death. (But, while cattle and pigs are covered in the Humane Slaughter Act, poultry like chickens and turkeys aren't) And it's a known fact that the majority of the meat consumed in this country comes from factory farming operations. The condictions that animals are kept in on factory farms would warrant animal cruelty charges if the animals were dogs or cats. (See www.factoryfarming.com for more info)
If you want to view a video of factory farming cruelties and yes, slaughterhouse cruelties, click here:
www.meetyourmeat.com
(That Ogrish site wasn't the best one to post as an example, I didn't see any direct links to slaughterhouse footage on the homepage)

This whole thing about natural vs. unnatural is irrelevant when it comes to ethics and animal rights. It's "unnatural" to put someone on life support (the natural alternative being leaving them for dead out in the wild for the vultures to snack on), is that wrong? (Rhetorical question!) Like katalina said, just because something is unnatural does not automatically make it wrong. What does make it wrong is if it causes harm and/or suffering in some way. The "law of nature" isn't really law at all, it's more like anarchy (the oldest variety), where anything and everything goes.

Thank you and goodnight.

(In case you're wondering; yes, I am a vegetarian)

I'll only eat fast food burgers at Wendy's their food is better and after super-size me....ugh I can't go near McDonalds

The only kind of fast food I will eat is Arby's (I cn tolerate other places, but I won't eat anything with meat). I like Arby's chicken because they use 100% chicken and no fillers...

If I was working in a slaughterhouse, I'm sure I would be a vegetarian. But since I don't, It's hard to smell a burger on a grill and not want to eat it. It's just against my nature

But as far as places like McDonalds goes, I don't really like it anyway. I had to read a book called Fast Food Nation and that kinda made me not want to eat there anymore. I will eat there only if I have to.

I think that you should all ways remeber through your mouth full of steak or chicken that a life was taken so you could eat this and not let anything go to waste because that would disrespect the game.

I also think that everyone should have to kill their own food once or twice and then skin it and and gut it and so forth. I think people would gain more respect for what they are eating. Also if you can hire people to do it for you should be able to do it yourself

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It's not like you are going to change people's opinons of eating meat. Any meat eater with any sense at all would not bother to watch that movie you linked to. Give it a rest and go hug a tree...


This is a terrible argument. You could replace "eating meat" with "womens suffrage," "rights for African Americans," etc. If no opinions were ever changed about anything, the world would be stuck in the stone age.

I'll admit the whole hug a tree thing was not the most appropriate statement. However, what you have to realize is that we are not talking about rights of humans (as in some of the situations you mentioned), you are talking about animals. These animals are not able to speak or communicate with us. All they have is PETA people to speak for them.

Eating meat is just like religion, silly to argue about. People who eat meat think that it is okay to do so, and it would be very difficult to convince them otherwise because you are talking about a very deep sense of belief. In this case the belief of whether or not animals have a soul, feelings, rights, etc...

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Yes. We are humans. That is our definition. Thank you and goodnight.

I know but we don't rule the universe.

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Originally posted by EarthGoddess:

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A definition from dictionary.com:
A primitive state of existence, untouched and uninfluenced by civilization or artificiality

That is just the human definiton.

Yes. We are humans. That is our definition. Thank you and goodnight.

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A definition from dictionary.com:
A primitive state of existence, untouched and uninfluenced by civilization or artificiality

That is just the human definiton.

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Originally posted by EarthGoddess:

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If that is true, what is not nature?

Anything that doesn't exist in our universe.

Well, I would disagree with you on that. It seems to me that the modern definition of nature is the contents outside of humanity and civilization. But this is an argument of semantics, and as such one that no one will win.

A definition from dictionary.com:
A primitive state of existence, untouched and uninfluenced by civilization or artificiality

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If that is true, what is not nature?

Anything that doesn't exist in our universe.