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Originally posted by EarthGoddess:

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Unnatural simply means, by our, human definition, something that does not happen in nature, naturally.

Well, that's a crappy defintion of unnatural. We are nature, no matter what most humans want to believe. We're just animals doing our thing.

If that is true, what is not nature?

Please do. You're annoying.

in the words of Cartman: "screw you guys, im going home."

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Unnatural simply means, by our, human definition, something that does not happen in nature, naturally.

Well, that's a crappy defintion of unnatural. We are nature, no matter what most humans want to believe. We're just animals doing our thing.

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Originally posted by EarthGoddess:
Anything that is unnatural simply wouldn't happen. It's unnatural for you to fart kittens. It's unnatural for black holes to spontaneously sing show tunes. It's natural for humans to manipulate other animals for their own usage. If it's natural for other animals (like ants, parasites, etc) do things like that, it's natural for us too.

Au contraire. Unnatural does not mean "impossible," as you are trying to assert. Unnatural simply means, by our, human definition, something that does not happen in nature, naturally. So, telecommunication across the continents is unnatural. We're the only species that can do that. Likewise, raising cattle, chickens, etc, to be slaughtered and eaten is unnatural, because we are the only species that does that. That, however, does not make it bad. It just counters the idea that what we as humans do is "natural," and therefor somehow just.

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Originally posted by katalinacmnacha89:

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Originally posted by Kate127:
The day a cow come up to me and asks me to stop eating it I will.

That's the equivalent of saying the day a mute person comes up and asks you to stop making fun of it you will.


It really is.

Alright, if a cow in any way symbolizes that it would like me to stop eatiiing it, I will.

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But considering "natural" is a direct offshoot of "nature" and humans are generally considered higher beings than those found in the rest of nature, yes, it is unnatural.

Anything that is unnatural simply wouldn't happen. It's unnatural for you to fart kittens. It's unnatural for black holes to spontaneously sing show tunes. It's natural for humans to manipulate other animals for their own usage. If it's natural for other animals (like ants, parasites, etc) do things like that, it's natural for us too.

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Originally posted by Kate127:
The day a cow come up to me and asks me to stop eating it I will.

That's the equivalent of saying the day a mute person comes up and asks you to stop making fun of it you will.

It really is.

The day a cow come up to me and asks me to stop eating it I will.

i sometimes clean-up in the meat department at Safeway (where me & my brother work). it smells good in there!

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Originally posted by clpo13:
Katalina, there is nothing wrong with eating meat. Comparing that to women's suffrage is like comparing apples and oranges. It was a blatant disregard for personal liberties to disallow women to vote. It would be a blatant disregard for freedom to force people to become vegetarian. See the difference?

Clever wording. The argument could be made that it is a blatant disregard of animal rights to slaughter animals. I am not going to make that argument.

Look, I am not the vegetarian that runs around saying "meat eaters don't have morals! they are going to hell!," etc. If you want to eat meat, whatever. I'm just responding to the idea that I should stop telling people to not eat meat, because no one will listen to me. That's where the connection comes in.

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As I said on another vegetarian thread, go right ahead being vegetarian. I won't stop you, but I won't join you, either.

The force be with you.

Katalina, there is nothing wrong with eating meat. Comparing that to women's suffrage is like comparing apples and oranges. It was a blatant disregard for personal liberties to disallow women to vote. It would be a blatant disregard for freedom to force people to become vegetarian. See the difference?

And I've seen so many videos of slaughterhouses that they no longer bother me. Come to think of it, they never did. I don't much care where my food comes from so long as it's edible.

As I said on another vegetarian thread, go right ahead being vegetarian. I won't stop you, but I won't join you, either.

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Originally posted by EarthGoddess:

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We breed animals to be slaughtered. No other species does that, so the "its natural!!!11" argument falls flat as well.

So, because we're the only species that does something, that makes it unnatural?

I suppose what your definintion of "natural" is. But considering "natural" is a direct offshoot of "nature" and humans are generally considered higher beings than those found in the rest of nature, yes, it is unnatural.

"mmmmm...burgers"

It says in the Bible that god gave them animals for food. Its somewhere in gennocess(sp) I am far to lazy to look it up right now. Maybe later.

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We breed animals to be slaughtered. No other species does that, so the "its natural!!!11" argument falls flat as well.

So, because we're the only species that does something, that makes it unnatural?

<never mind>

well im a caveman & i for one am offended by your blatent disregard for the stoneage!
"meat good, you eat, me eat, all happy".

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It's not like you are going to change people's opinons of eating meat. Any meat eater with any sense at all would not bother to watch that movie you linked to. Give it a rest and go hug a tree...

This is a terrible argument. You could replace "eating meat" with "womens suffrage," "rights for African Americans," etc. If no opinions were ever changed about anything, the world would be stuck in the stone age.

That's kind of like religion. DON'T EAT MEAT BECAUSE IT WAS AN ANIMAL!!11.
I hate people that do that.

Hey, you chose to be vegitarian, you have to deal with the fact the most of the world isn't and stop trying to convert people.

Just a question,do you eat fish?