does anybody here agree with animal rights?
I STAND UP FOR ANIMALS MAINLY BECAUSE THE ANIMALS THAT THE PPL KILL FOR FOOD MOSTLY GET TREATED LIKE CRAP.AND WHY DO PPL EAT CHICKEN,PIGS,COWS,DUCK,FISH AND ALL THE OTHER STUFF OUT THERE? WOULD YOU CUT OPEN YOUR DOG OR CAT AND EAT THEM TOO? OF COURSE YOU WOULDN'T!! SO WHY EAT ANOTHER ANIMAL THEY ARE ALL ANIMALS AND ALL HAVE FEELINGS JUST AS HUMANS DO,HOW WOULD YOU LIKE IT IF PPL KEPT YOU IN A TINY CAGE,WHIPPED YOU,SHOCKED YOU,BEAT YOU AND THEN KILLED YOU SO THEY COULD EAT YOU?OR HOW WOULD YOU LIKE IT IF PPL RIPPED,THE HAIR OFF YOUR HEAD AND USED IT FOR THERE OWN BENEFITS?I DONT THINK PPL WOULD LIKE THAT VERY MUCH.

IF YOU WANT TO OR ARE THINKING ABOUT BECOMING VEGITARIAN OR VEGAN REPLY TO THIS CAUSE I WILL BE CHECKING!!!!!!

Apparently it's cheaper to kill them this way then a more hummane any other meathod. It's not only for their meat, but just to get rid of the horse. So really the abuse starts with american horse owners/breeders,it's more their fault than any one elses. We would rather breed a new foal than look at the already existing horses, the ones sitting a slaughter auctions. And then race horse owners are at fault, too. They race the animal, get as much money off it as possible, and then if horse grows too old or injured, they dump it at an auction, rather than using a little bit of the money the horse won to give it a decnt death (or life).
Any way, its cheaper. The only cost is the chain and the building and the workers. That's all we seem to care about now days, our money.

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I don't think that they sit around and torture the animals before they kill them.

Well, I would consider the manger of the slaughter house involved in the major recall this year a fan of animal torture.

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Horses are lifted off their feet by a chain, held upside down, stabbed a hundred times, hit in the head, and then have their throats slit so they can be bled.

Why exactly does this happen, for their meat or something? This seems like a very time consuming and inefficient process of killing an animal to harvest its parts. Why would this happen? I think that companies involved in horse slaughter would want to kill the animals as quickly as possible so they can slaughter more in a day. I don't think that they sit around and torture the animals before they kill them.

Hey. just thought I'd log on to say this...

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Is hanging an animal by it's hind feet so someone can stab it to death natural?

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now what i can't figure out is where the heck you got that. Hunters mostly kill their catch when they catch it. and when you say "hanging it by it's feet" I assume you mean when hunter's tie them up to skin them for their pelts but I've never heard of them skinning them alive. and if you've seen people actually doing this, it is most likely a bunch of moronic teenagers (and i only mean the moronic ones, or immature adults) that do this.

horse slaughter. Mainly this method is done in Mexico, and sorry, but I'd rather have horses being slaughtered inside the U.S., dieing from a bullet to the brain than across the border dieing that way. It's sickening.
Horses are lifted off their feet by a chain, held upside down, stabbed a hundred times, hit in the head, and then have their throats slit so they can be bled. I hope that the horse is dead before then, but they are stabed so carelessly that sometimes the head and vital organs are missed, so the horse is whacked in the head just in case, but still some don't die until they have lost a large ammount of blood. What a great way to die, huh? Especailly because many of these horses have come from a racing career, and then are dropped off at a slaughter auction when they are too old or injured. Careless jerks.

I do agree with animal rights, and I am a vegetarian. The reason I became vegetarian was because I would never eat any of my pets. Also, because of what people do to animals in slaughterhouses and such.

Hmmm, you know artistgrrl

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Is spraying chemicals in a rabit's face to see if it dies natural?

you kinda got a point. However, this is kinda the only way we can test chemicals. What do you want them to do, test it on themselves? Now that would be inhumane.

Now here's another thing you've said,

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Is hanging an animal by it's hind feet so someone can stab it to death natural?

now what i can't figure out is where the heck you got that. Hunters mostly kill their catch when they catch it. and when you say "hanging it by it's feet" I assume you mean when hunter's tie them up to skin them for their pelts but I've never heard of them skinning them alive. and if you've seen people actually doing this, it is most likely a bunch of moronic teenagers (and i only mean the moronic ones, or immature adults) that do this.

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Getting killed and eaten is just part of the natural process.

Yes, but humans have gone beyond 'natural process'. Is spraying chemicals in a rabit's face to see if it dies natural? Is hanging an animal by it's hind feet so someone can stab it to death natural? I think not!

That Go Veg article doesn't prove anything. The only quote from a scientific journal is how too much cholesterol can be bad for you. They say there are studies backing up a vegetarian diet as a way to lower cholesterol, but they don't bother to provide sources for those studies.

If I want to lower my cholesterol, I'll just have Cheerios for breakfast.

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http://www.vegsource.com/how_to_win.htm
http://www.goveg.com/heartdisease_cholather.asp

Oh looky! what I said earlier still stands!

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your statistics fail with out actual studies to back them up miss and all stats fail to start with so try again

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They're not stupid, they just have different vocal chords as us so they can't say "YO Stop f'n killing me!'.

Wouldn't matter if they could, they bleat/squawk/etc the same thing at the other predators in the world and yet despite that plea for mercy leopards, wolves, tigers, lions, bears and of course humans still feast on them on a reguler basis. Getting killed and being eaten is just part of the natural process.

And before someone says that guns aren't part of that process your actually wrong, yes guns are manufactured but mankind (that's us by the way) is a tool making species, sharp rocks, spears, bows, guns these are all tools made in the application of hunting and since we are tool makers, these devices are fair game to kill that which we would eat, or that which would eat us.

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If you don't have claws or fangs, grow a bigger brain and opposable thumbs and learn to make weapons

Welcome to YN, GirlVicious13!

In the future, please try to avoid posting multiple times in a row, and do all you can to condense your points into one post. If you want to add something to what you've already said, you have a ten minute window in which you can edit your own posts after they go live. Multiple posts in quick succession disrupts the flow of the boards.

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Originally posted by GirlVicious13:
Facts to back up this statement: http://www.vegsource.com/how_to_win.htm
http://www.goveg.com/heartdisease_cholather.asp

Too biased. Zero credibility.

If you want us to believe you, find a reputable source, such as a medical or a scientific journal. GoVeg.com and Vegsource.com are not those things at all.

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Originally posted by ampmaster:

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By becoming vegan, you are lowering your heart attack danger level by over 60%and your risk for cancer dramatically

your statistics fail with out actual studies to back them up miss and all stats fail to start with so try again

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eating meat is causing deforestation faster than anything else in the world.

Well then I'll back it up. I did a tone of research for a project I did for health class at school. The subject was the benefits and downsides of a diet with meat versus one without meat. The bottom line comes done to the fact that plants don't have cholesterol and certain types of fat that meat has. Facts to back up this statement: http://www.vegsource.com/how_to_win.htm
http://www.goveg.com/heartdisease_cholather.asp

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Originally posted by Shade:
What about wild meat? They aren't mistreated before they're killed.

My grandpa hunts and I'm cool with that because he doesn't just hunt for fun. I'm not going to eat it, but I'm not against it. I am, however against hunting for fun. Because hunting won't be a sport until the animals get guns!

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Originally posted by conflictingzest:
Also, what fo you care if they suffer? they're pretty much dead? that's there whole reason for being alive, to die, so why make it happy for them? they won't appreciate it, it won't make it taste any better. so who cares?

Also I would eat my dog or cat if i was hungry enough and there was no other food around. What do i care, i'm more important than my dog. My dog isn't going to do anything for the world.

I wouldn't care if ppl tortured me then ate me because i was too stupid to do anything about it or know the difference.

1)They aren't 'pretty much dead'. They are alive and can feel the pain and abuse they're put through.
2)What if you're dog becomes a seeing eye dog? They're doing a great justice towards the community. I don't see you leading around blind people!
3)They're not stupid, they just have different vocal chords as us so they can't say "YO Stop f'n killing me!'. Are you one of those stupid guys that try to get hurt when goofing off with your budds?

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Originally posted by panterayall:
i love sausage like brotwurst and italian sweet sausage (its probably the german in me). But whatever KFC is doing to their chickens they are obviously doing something right, you gotta love kfc chicken mmmmmmmmmmm.

1)I'm 1/3 German and I hate sausage.
2)Are you kidding me. KFC horribly mistreats their chicken!!!

I use to apologize to meat when I cut it. What do you expect from me?

I would probably die as well.

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s actually a substantial part of many people's lives.

I would probably die.

You, know, I'd like to see people who are animal activists live where I grew up, where a lot of the food that you eat and have access to comes from the land around you. Venison, for example is great, and well where I'm from, its quite normal to eat it. Or salmon, or halibut, even bear, hunting and eating food, is actually a substantial part of many people's lives.

and you can't drink water because of all the micororganisms in water, don't they feel to?

It's been scientifically proven that plants respond to pain. You should stop eating plants, too.