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CO2 on the other hand, is much more complicated

I hope CO2 isn't a problem airsofters and paintballers live on the stuff

we might be able to help!!!we can go around our cities/towns and tell people how serious global warming is.

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But thinking "Nah. We're cool. Pollution, etc. is made up to corrupt the masses!" just to seperate yourself from most people's easily influenced beliefs isn't any better than being paranoid.

I never said that. Pollution covers a whole range of things. Toxic substances, particulates, SO2, etc. are clearly and obviously detrimental. CO2 on the other hand, is much more complicated. It's not harmful directly, it won't give you cancer. You have to wager whether or not taking drastic steps to fix the "problem" (which we don't fully understand) isn't going to cause more damage than the warming.

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I'd look to unbiased sources like here.

While that article is accurate and pretty objective, saying the EPA is unbiased is a stretch. They've had problems with politicizing science in the past.

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But from which reputable scientific source have you heard that global warming is an illusion?

None, and I never claimed it was an illusion.

Here's where I stand right now: We don't know how much, or how bad warming will be. I tend to go by the conservative estimates simply because those are the ones that have proven themselves to be correct over the years, ha. We've had about 1-2 degrees warming since the 1850's. The projections made back in the 80's about 5 degrees increase by 2010 have proved to be laughably wrong.

Keeping that in mind, there are also natural drivers of the warming. The concern I have is that the cutbacks it will take to actually affect climate change are enormous, and might not have that large of an impact. In essence it could be like spending $1000 to fix something that's worth $100.

What we really should be looking at is improving carbon sinks, not cutting emissions. This is why most treaties are flawed. Kyoto, for example, is a joke.

Who the hell cares? I suppose that the Ice Age thawing out was bad too? Even if it did help humans evolve? Life adapted to that, and this is no different.

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Nobody is able to "feel" any warming that has gone on, and last years spat of hurricanes had nothing to do with global warming. That's all.

Oh yeah, the scientists worlwide are confused. They're making all this up so that we'll pay more for solar panels.
Seriously, it's obvious that the environmental living conditions of the world are still significantly normal and global warming isn't going to kill us off overnight.

But thinking "Nah. We're cool. Pollution, etc. is made up to corrupt the masses!" just to seperate yourself from most people's easily influenced beliefs isn't any better than being paranoid.

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Hardly anybody actually has looked at the science.

Yeah, most people normally don't care to educate themselves about that, unfortunately. But that doesn't mean that scientists haven't. I wouldn't look to everyday people for earth science, anyway. I'd look to unbiased sources like here.

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And of those who claim to have looked, most don't actually understand it, or don't know what the hell they're talking about.

I totally agree with you there. Like yoga, recycling and other hippy-ish values can become trends. But from which reputable scientific source have you heard that global warming is an illusion?

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This is so wrong it's not even funny.

Don't tell me you're one of those who "doesn't believe" in global warming...

I'm a rational person who has some education in climate history and science. Nobody is able to "feel" any warming that has gone on, and last years spat of hurricanes had nothing to do with global warming. That's all.

All I "don't believe in" is jumping on a bandwagon. And that's what most people are doing, jumping on the "Oh Noes Global Warming!" bandwagon. Hardly anybody actually has looked at the science. And of those who claim to have looked, most don't actually understand it, or don't know what the hell they're talking about.

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This is so wrong it's not even funny.

Don't tell me you're one of those who "doesn't believe" in global warming...

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Originally posted by Cybele:
The freakish hurricanes and tornados that are tearing across the globe are a sign. Last year was one of the hottest on the record. There's something in the wind, you can feel it yourself. Its changing.

This is so wrong it's not even funny.

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global decline in priates

That graph is posted on my cubicle in the geo department, ha.

The reason behind glbal warming is the global decline in priates for more on this theory check out The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster through google

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So why are people so reluctant to a) believe b) care and c) take action? It's your own butts you're saving.

Because people are greedy. That's all there is to it. Why take care of something that won't backfire during their lifetime if they can benefit from it now?

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The whole global warming thing really scares me...just the fact that tomorrow the world could come to an end or something.

The world can end in many situations not involving global warming. The greenhouse effect just gives us a very flexible date of when we can expect things like acid rain, etc. and ultimately a non-lifesupporting environment.

The whole global warming thing really scares me...just the fact that tomorrow the world could come to an end or something. I just think people don't want to believe what they know is the truth, so they just ignore it and hope it will go away.