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Originally posted by Brehon:
As a gesture for future generations? As Lao Tzu would say, 'Even a journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step.'

That "gesture" might cause future generations more harm than good. It doesn't matter what Lao Tzu said if the journey isn't worth it in the first place.

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...so why should we hurt our economy if we aren't even going to make an impact on the problem?

As a gesture for future generations? As Lao Tzu would say, 'Even a journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step.'

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True that.

I believe dat's "true dat".

True that.

Geos don't like any weather condtion including direct sunlight

You and me both, DrS. Geos don't like snow.

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Originally posted by freedomordeath:
Snow = AWESOME!

Snow = shoveling, hampered driving, mud, and damage to my car due to salt on the roads.

Snow sucks. I'm all for warming.

Snow+Sled+15 or so fo your best friends in the world who happen to be furry+Food=Heaven on Earth for outdoorsie people

Snow = AWESOME!

I sure hope so I love alaska and one of the major reason's why is the snow.

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Originally posted by ampmaster:
I'm really worried that the may have to end the trail race before I have a chance to run it

North America had a mild winter this year. I wouldn't fret too much. We'll see though.

I'm really worried that the may have to end the trail race before I have a chance to run it

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Originally posted by ampmaster:
I also am seeing evidence they are having trouble with the Iditarod Trail and Yukon Quest Sled Dog races (two of the oldest and largest world wide) because of lack of snow and this is in ALASKA!

This is interesting, since that sled race was created when we were still in the Little Ice Age.

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On a side note, it has been hotter in my country than usual...even in winters it has been warmer, but I don't know about this.

The waters of the Carribean were warmer than usual this year. It's probably contributing to a much milder year. It's also the reason the US got hit by so many heavy hurricanes. It, however, is not caused by global warming but rather ocean currents and whatnot.

I've recently seen a maintstream news story claiming that "scientists have determined that the devestating hurricanes are a definite result of global warming". Bullshit. The hurricanes were a result of local conditions, which may have been minutely effected by warming but not to an extent that it's the sole cause. Rather it's a very, very minor contributor.

I also am seeing evidence they are having trouble with the Iditarod Trail and Yukon Quest Sled Dog races (two of the oldest and largest world wide) because of lack of snow and this is in ALASKA!

This is one of the best debates I've read on YouthNOISE. Doc, totally informative. I don't know anything on this...considering most of what I've taken in school classes has been biology.

On a side note, it has been hotter in my country than usual...even in winters it has been warmer, but I don't know about this.

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I read scientific American and National geographic.

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you are never going to prove global warming is true to me

I sense a contradiction. I seem to recall that National Geographic did a really good piece a while back proving how global warming was real. Something about CO2 and whatnot...

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I am never going to prove what I am saying to you and you are never going to prove global warming is true to me, or make me believe that what I am saying is wrong. But do not call me an idiot who THINKS they know what they are talking about. I know damn well when I don't understand how something works, and I know damn well to not say anything.

Come on, you're giving up after two posts? This wasn't very fun.

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If you listen to what economists are saying, they can explain how it would econmically irresponsible to act to stop global warmings, but for some reason, everyone is listening to scientists who, while they know science, do not think about impacts that their proposals might have on the rest of the country.

Actually Blue, it's not so much the scientists as it is the environmental lobbies and certain politicians. There's a pretty large body of scientists who think exactly like you do. Some of my profs included.

Now that I think about it, all the actual SCIENTISTS in the environment department here take the "it's happening, we're not sure exactly why, and it's probably way too costly to fix it." It's all the POLICY people, the ones concerned with the politics and law, that are the militant global warming "END OF THE WOLRD" people.

Saturnmoth, surely you must agree that the world is getting warmer? There is hard data to back that up.

While I agree that global warming exists, it is very difficult to combat. In order to actaully, make a difference, the United States and the rest of the world would have to cut CO2 emissions by huge margins...to the point where our economies would suffer. Realistically, it just isn't worth it. Kyoto, for example, isn't going make any impact at all...the cuts are minimal at best...so why should we hurt our economy if we aren't even going to make an impact on the problem? Doesn't sound right to me.

I don't think that the Bush administration denies the existence of global warmings, but they understand there isn't anything we can do.

If you listen to what economists are saying, they can explain how it would econmically irresponsible to act to stop global warmings, but for some reason, everyone is listening to scientists who, while they know science, do not think about impacts that their proposals might have on the rest of the country.

You're right. I must be a stupid child whom is a fount of wrong information. All I do is spout out science facts I heard my high school chemistry teacher say. I read scientific American and National geographic.

I am never going to prove what I am saying to you and you are never going to prove global warming is true to me, or make me believe that what I am saying is wrong. But do not call me an idiot who THINKS they know what they are talking about. I know damn well when I don't understand how something works, and I know damn well to not say anything.

ouch two points to the good doctor