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clpo, the ocean is, and always will be, cold. even in San Diego. these cold polar ice caps are what keeps our oceans cold. these ice caps are like ice cubes in a beverage. they keep your drink cold and make it look nice.

Look, there aren't two temperatures. Things are not "hot" or "cold". Of course the ocean will always be cold. The question is how cold. Even a slight change in temperature can mess with things. You may not think 0.1 degrees is that big of a difference, but anyone who's taken basic chemistry will know that water freezes at 32 degrees Fahrenheit and ice melts at 32.1 degrees. That's quite a change for a small temperature difference.

Interestingly enough, the average surface temperature of oceans worldwide is around 64 degrees Fahrenheit. It's colder in some places and warmer in others, and the temperature drops considerably once you go through the thermocline, which is around 100-400 meters below the surface. This means the majority of water (90% of the ocean lies below the thermocline) has a temperature between 32 and 37.5 degrees Fahrenheit. (Source) So yes, the ocean is cold. But that's not what matters. It's the exact temperature that matters.

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yet, it stopped at it's peak in 1998. right now the temp. is still at that point and will be dropping sooner or later and people will blame it on George Bush or whoever's president at that point. oh yeah, and this isn't the hottest temp. in the century. In 1934 it was.

You also need to learn about the properties of graphs. A peak does not mean that increase has stopped. 1998 was the hottest year on record so far. Here's a graph compiled by the Climatic Research Unit of the University of East Anglia (please don't insult my intelligence by refusing to look at it because it's hosted on Wikipedia). The temperature is still rising, even if there was a peak (an anomaly) in 1998. Also, I question your statement that 1934 was the hottest year in this century. I can't find confirmation of that anywhere. 1934 doesn't even seem to have been an especially hot year.

@Shade:
Thank you sir, I do try *bows*

@Kibukun:
Do you have a fatal inability to read graphs? Is it not simple enough for you? Perhaps I should spell it out. Decline in Pirates = Rise in Global Temperature

really want to solve global warming? ditch all this civilization bullshit and become a pirate

Amp, you're awesome.

usually the info that i get comes from my dad. and if you don't understand it, i'm sorry but that's how I write/type. (i might get better) and by the way, crashes happen because of stupid people doing stupid things. either their speeding to get to work faster, or their stupid enough to not use their turning signals. either way they are still being stupid. that's why traffic laws are made, to make the road safer.

clpo, the ocean is, and always will be, cold. even in San Diego. these cold polar ice caps are what keeps our oceans cold. these ice caps are like ice cubes in a beverage. they keep your drink cold and make it look nice. you know, people right now think the temp. is still rising. yet, it stopped at it's peak in 1998. right now the temp. is still at that point and will be dropping sooner or later and people will blame it on George Bush or whoever's president at that point. oh yeah, and this isn't the hottest temp. in the century. In 1934 it was.

and Ampmaster, What the heck are you talking about? what do pirates have to do with global warming?
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The temperature itself is the least of our worries. The problem is how even slight changes in global temperature can wreak havoc on ocean currents and weather patterns.

For instance, if temperatures get too warm, the ice caps will begin to slowly melt, sending cold water into the ocean. This influx of cold water throws off currents like the Gulf Stream, which is what makes the climate in the Northern Hemisphere so temperate. Without the Gulf Stream, the Northern Hemisphere will begin to freeze over.

Of course, that's just a hypothetical situation, but it is true that everything is connected. We won't die from heat stroke, but we could die from massive hurricanes spawned by rising temperatures.

I didn't say you were a liberal EG but i assumed you were an environmentalist because of the name and the things you said and beleive. And I knew that global warming was a natural cycle, that's what i've been trying to tell everybody. I doubt it will kill us anyway, the the temp isn't high enough right now and the temp go's really slow anyway. what is it? .6 of a degree a century? besides the global cooling will cool the earth back down anyway just like the 60's, in fact people were worrying about the world having a second ice age in those years. By the way, why are you saying that i'm promoting environmentalism? i'm a conservative. and i'm mostly mad at Green Peace and Algore, the "environmentalists" who are actually socialists. (will continue later)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:FSM_Pirates.png

well here's one chart that clearly shows global warming is the result of a global drop of pirates

If I had a scanner, I'd put up a graph in an old issue of National Geographic that illustrates the cyclical climate change bit perfectly.

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If Global Warming is real, it's most likely a natural cycle that we have no control over

Actually true, earths temprature drops and goes up according to solar activity and volcanic euruptions. (Decreased solar activity + more eruptions drops the temp and increased solar activity with decreased eruptions = temp increase.)

I'll find the graph for that

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Originally posted by kibukun:
HEY! ALL YOU EXTREME ENVIRONMENTALIST WACKOS! (Example - Earth Goddess) WE AS HUMANS ARE NOT PESTS TO THE EARTH ITSELF!

Hey guess what? I'm not an environmentalist. And I'm not a liberal either. I'm just an apathetic pessimist.

If Global Warming is real, it's most likely a natural cycle that we have no control over (Even Glenn Beck, an LDS conservative, says this). Not that hard to digest dude... If it kills us, the Earth can heal itself. Meaning environmentalism is practically pointless.

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sorry about the shout out but, in fact we are more of "protectors" of the Earth, not vermin.

If we're "protectors" then why are you so pissed off at environmentalists who are trying to protect the Earth, while you're doing nothing but using up resources? That would be the exact opposite of a protector. You make zero sense.

I'm not attacking you or pointing the finger at you for using up natural resources, as I do the same thing and enjoy every second of it. I'm just tearing holes into your arguement for the sake of making you realize how little you really think about what you say. If you're going to get into a debate, check yourself, before you wreck yourself.

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If you really want to be a true environmentalist (which I am not) i suggest listening to the real facts. (may continue later)

Yeah, little boy. Tell us the real facts. Enlighten me with your 16 year old wisdom, please. (<-- Sarcasm)


So I like to eat organic vegetarian food occasionally and all that other "Green" stuff. That doesn't make me a socialist. I just like to have a good bowel movement every day.

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but sadly, with electricity, as power given by the battery goes down your car can't run as fast.

So? Slower cars = Less fatal car accidents.

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I have ADHD so half the time i don't know what mood I sound like in typing.

That makes no sense. You shouldn't hid behind a disorder. It's not very becoming of you.

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but sadly, with electricity, as power given by the battery goes down your car can't run as fast. But a machine running on gas can run on the fumes after the gas is gone for at least a few minutes.

That's why they invented the alternator. While the gasoline engine of a hybrid is running, it recharges the batteries in transit, leaving them charged for when the electric motor runs. Fully electric cars, on the other hand, will run out of juice without a good charging, but we're not talking about them, are we? (Well, I'm not talking about them. Can't speak for anyone else.)

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in fact we are more of "protectors" of the Earth, not vermin. Also, even if we were pests we would probably be trying to destroy Earth.

The term "protectors" implies that we were appointed to the task. Considering we're only a few steps above other animal life, I highly doubt we were put here on purpose.

Also, the best description of the human species is "parasite". We take from the Earth without giving back. It's an unequal symbiosis (well, not quite symbiosis, since the Earth isn't a single living organism). It should be noted, however, that parasites aren't inherently bad. They don't aim to destroy. They often have that effect because they take without giving.

Yo clpo, I already knew about 99.9% of what you just said. Besides it may be able to drive fast like she said on a fully charged battery, but sadly, with electricity, as power given by the battery goes down your car can't run as fast. But a machine running on gas can run on the fumes after the gas is gone for at least a few minutes. also by the way, I'm not paranoid. I have ADHD so half the time i don't know what mood I sound like in typing. and for bringing up mythbusters, I'm random so get used to it.

HEY! ALL YOU EXTREME ENVIRONMENTALIST WACKOS! (Example - Earth Goddess) WE AS HUMANS ARE NOT PESTS TO THE EARTH ITSELF! sorry about the shout out but, in fact we are more of "protectors" of the Earth, not vermin. Also, even if we were pests we would probably be trying to destroy Earth. in fact we are not on the thought of "animals and the environment first". "Environmental" leaders such as Algore and Green Peace who are not in it for the environment or conserving energy but are promoting socialism, the second most restricting government in the world! (note that number one is communism) If you really want to be a true environmentalist (which I am not) i suggest listening to the real facts. (may continue later)

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If we all die, forests have a chance to regrow and endangered animal species have a chance to repopulate their habitat, without our interference.

That sort of thing happens all the time in nature. Heck, we wouldn't even have to die out completely. For instance, in the absence of a predatory species, a prey species will flourish, since there is nothing to attack and eat it. When a predator species is introduced, it will eat all the prey. When they prey species is diminished, the predatory species has nothing to eat, and they will begin to die out, thus allowing any remaining members of the prey species to repopulate the species, providing more food for the predators. Nature has lots of cycles like that. Some group will always benefit, even if other groups suffer horribly.

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And don't even try asking Mythbusters, they lie sometimes anyways. sometimes as propaganda for the companies that make the stuff they test, or for their socialist/liberal/communist director that tells them what to do.

...wow. I've heard some crazy theories, but never one involving a Discovery Channel show. You're too paranoid. And I don't even know why you brought up MythBusters, since no one else mentioned them...

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ok clpo13, because of the electric motor and the engine, they use more materials AND energy, and their slow.

Since when has being slow been a bad thing? Also, you keep on complaining about the "extra materials" and whatnot, but you neglect to look at what's not being used: gasoline. Yes, hybrids have an electric motor that's only used part of the time, but because of that, they use less gasoline than a standard internal combustion engine, which runs constantly. The environmental benefit is in that. Less gasoline used means less petroleum oil that needs to be drilled from the ground and converted (through a long and rather expensive process) into gasoline.

Of course, this is all a bit moot considering that hybrid cars don't have that much extra material. Get this: every single car has an electric motor. It's called the starter motor. Conventional cars only use it to start internal combustion (otherwise called ignition; it happens when you turn your key). Once the combustion begins, the starter motor turns off. Hybrid cars, on the other hand, use their electric motor when idling, when the internal combustion engine stops. When the accelerator pedal is pressed, the internal combustion starts up again and the electric motor shuts off.

Of course, the motors used in conventional cars aren't exactly the same as those used in hybrids, and hybrids do tend to have more batteries (to hold power for the motor), but the added material in hybrids isn't that much compared to a conventional car, and hybrids often cut down on other materials (the Prius, for instance, uses aluminum instead of steel for parts like the hood and hatch). It's worth noting that a Prius weighs about 2890 pounds, average for a car of its class. Thus, the comparison to lugging an ATV around on your back doesn't work so well, unless the ATV weighed, oh, nothing.

If we all die, forests have a chance to regrow and endangered animal species have a chance to repopulate their habitat, without our interference.

And how do you think that will happen?

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Originally posted by EarthGoddess:

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But don't you think that we humans have a little responsibility towards it. I mean we have some control over the earth so why not just take a step to improve it.

No. The Earth can improve itself.

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But don't you think that we humans have a little responsibility towards it. I mean we have some control over the earth so why not just take a step to improve it.

No. The Earth can improve itself.

But don't you think that we humans have a little responsibility towards it. I mean we have some control over the earth so why not just take a step to improve it.

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Originally posted by ruhamah:
yes it is......its suppossed to be winter out here in my city but we still sleep with our fans on.....and the campus where i stay is supposed to be the coolest in town....sad!

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If we all die in the Earth's healing process, so what?

Call me pessimistic, but I'm willing to bet that the best way to fix Earth's man made problems is to get rid of man.

Though I do believe that global warming is a truth, I do agree with you that the earth is a formidible force that is beyond our control and greater than us.