But don't you think that we humans have a little responsibility towards it. I mean we have some control over the earth so why not just take a step to improve it.

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Originally posted by ruhamah:
yes it is......its suppossed to be winter out here in my city but we still sleep with our fans on.....and the campus where i stay is supposed to be the coolest in town....sad!

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If we all die in the Earth's healing process, so what?

Call me pessimistic, but I'm willing to bet that the best way to fix Earth's man made problems is to get rid of man.

Though I do believe that global warming is a truth, I do agree with you that the earth is a formidible force that is beyond our control and greater than us.

yes it is......its suppossed to be winter out here in my city but we still sleep with our fans on.....and the campus where i stay is supposed to be the coolest in town....sad!

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because of the electric motor and the engine, they use more materials AND energy, and their slow.

Lucky for me, I caught a few minutes of a TV show that was explaining electric cars yesterday. It may have been on the History Channel. They mentioned one car that could go over 200 miles fully charged. And cost only $3 to recharge it. Three dollars worth of electricity is not a lot of energy at all.

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sometimes as propaganda for the companies that make the stuff they test

As an avid watcher of Mythbusters, I know for a fact that that is bullshit. I hope you realize that most of the "products" they test are gadgets they made with instructions they found off the internet. No companies involved. Just crazy conspiracy theorists that are probably pissed at them. And most of the Myths they test are very politically neutral. Such as... All of them.

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or for their socialist/liberal/communist director that tells them what to do.

If this were true, you'd think the episode where they were testing different methods to increase gas mileage and "stick it to the man" would've yielded better results. But, they did not.

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so i know people can be hypnotized into something they don't want to do.

That's weird. Mormons usually don't believe in concepts like hypnotism.

It is possible to put someone into a deep sleep, but it's not possible to make them do something they don't want to do. What you described sounded like an act.


Anyway, back to Global Warming. Even if it did exist (which it probably doesn't), The Earth is not a fragile child with brittle bones. It's a force far more powerful than we are, and it can fix itself. If we all die in the Earth's healing process, so what?

ok clpo13, because of the electric motor and the engine, they use more materials AND energy, and their slow. While they are in any mode while driving they waste more energy or gas because they have this extra motor or engine they don't need. it's extra weight. it's like trying to go biking with an atv strapped to the back, it's useless to take and too heavy to carry. So, no. your wrong because the hybrid creates more problems than it solves.

And don't even try asking Mythbusters, they lie sometimes anyways. sometimes as propaganda for the companies that make the stuff they test, or for their socialist/liberal/communist director that tells them what to do. or just to entertain an audience. but still, they're still lies. for one example, hypnotism. hypnotism was once used on two jocks to make them think they were both "Tinkerbell King of the Faeries." In fact these jocks would both argue over which one was the pansy. apparently, in school, the teachers had to separate them by soundproof cages. and i'm pretty sure those jocks wouldn't want to do that throughout high school, even though they did. so i know people can be hypnotized into something they don't want to do.

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besides, hybrids use up more materials than a hummer! (hybrids need two engines)

They need one engine and a motor. The engine uses gas while the motor runs on electricity (provided by a battery). In the long run, the hybrid is better because less gasoline is used over the lifetime of the car, even if more material is used to build it (and I doubt a Prius uses more material than a Hummer, anyways).

Whether or not global warming exists or not shouldn't really matter. The brilliant thing about humans is that we're gifted with intelligence and recorded history. We shouldn't have to wait for symptoms of a major catastrophe to appear to get off our hindparts and do something. Dumping our crap into our surroundings is like bending over and waiting for karma to kick us in the junk.
That being said, the misinformation and confusion caused by the media doesn't really help. Neither does investing in many "green" energy sources. Windmills, solar cells, hydroelectric dams are all environmentally unfriendly because of the inefficiency in making them, or their impacts on the local environment (dams).
Ultimately, if we're to avoid having negative consequences, research and investing in purer energies (hydrogen fuel, electricity from plant matter, etc) and plain conservation should be in order.
But such things are idealistic.
It's foresight versus nearsight, and nearsight wins out most of the time.

you know test123 i agree with hunt19tenn (note that I'm using nicknames) we may have a bunch of things like this going on, but stuff like this happens! and those countries in africa that don't contribute to the air? their communities get destroyed anyways because of no capitalism. we (the US) survive like England (and other citied countries) because we have capitalism. and i also agree with him about the hybrids and other things like that. besides, hybrids use up more materials than a hummer! (hybrids need two engines)

First off Hunter, I thought you didn't trust the media?

In the first article I didn't see one shread of proof that it's not going to be as bad as the SCIENTISTS say. All the article included what one journalists distrust for scientists and his skepticism.

You should keep in mind that science is always changing and we are always getting more answers or clues. He distrust scientist because they are doing their job and finding out more information.

In the second article it says,

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"A warmer climate helps promote species diversity," says Munich zoologist Josef Reichholf.

that can only possibly be true for spicies that can survive in warmer temperatures. Temperature sensitive creatures will become extinct. They also spew a lot of facts but rarely say where he got the information.



I might comment on the other ones later

here are a few good ones

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/sim...ns/article669171.ece

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,481684,00.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,854050,00.html

http://www.cato.org/dailys/6-04-98.html

http://money.cnn.com/2006/04/13/technology/business2_futureboy0413/index.htm

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i've been doing a lot of research on global warming, and i've come to the conclusion that global warming is not going to be all that bad

Then give me proof and sources! Where have you educated yourself on this topic? What did you read? Who told you what? Why did you come to the conclusion that it was good and not bad? Share! That's what a debate is for.

first of all, my opinions are not "uneducated".

i've been doing a lot of research on global warming, and i've come to the conclusion that global warming is not going to be all that bad

most uneducated people agree that global warming will be bad because, like i've said, they believe the media.

Lesson 2:
You don't listen to the media. You shouldn't believe what they say or not believe what they say just because it's the media. You should do your own research. Lucky for you I already posted a link for you.

Why don't you believe global warming will be bad? I gave you 9 reasons and a webpage explaining it all. You have no proof that it won't be bad. All you have is your uneducated opinion.

my bad about skipping over "increasing" and "decreasing"

but i still dont see how im lazy - if you read my previous posts, you will see that i dont believe global warming will be bad, so if its not going to be bad then i dont see anything i need to do. if i believed global warming was going to be the end of the earth, then yes, i would be doing things to stop it.

as for the scientists: the media only highlights the scientists that say that global warming is bad because it makes a better story - there are still hundreds of scientists who know the truth - that global warming is not as bad as the media is making it look.

Lesson 1:

Read what I write.

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-decreased ozone layer

I didn't say increased.

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i dont really see how im lazy if i dont feel like spending lots of money on a hybrid car or solar powered house.

That's how you are lazy. You know what is going to happen (or at least you have been told) and you still don't "feel" like doing anything about it. There are other ways you can help out that don't require as much money.

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so all im saying is that you've got to be skeptical about what all these scientists say because most of them work for universities or companies that want funding. Many of these scientists figure that if a lot of people are worried about global warming then they will get more funding if they make global warming look bad

It's actually just the opposite. Every scientist agreed that global warming existed and was a threat until it got political. Then scientist were being paid to down play it or even deny it all together.

hey, im not attacking anyone about their opinions, im just voicing mine. i dont really see how im lazy if i dont feel like spending lots of money on a hybrid car or solar powered house. and this "increasing ozone" - i dont understand, when i was in elementary school everyone was complaining because we were shrinking the ozone - so all im saying is that you've got to be skeptical about what all these scientists say because most of them work for universities or companies that want funding. Many of these scientists figure that if a lot of people are worried about global warming then they will get more funding if they make global warming look bad.

daemonophobia, the lack of rain in Australia kind of discredits global warming in general - global warming will cause much more rain and humidity, so im not saying that global warming is not happening, but drought is not going to be an effect of it.

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will someone tell me please what is the big deal with global warming

-Glaciers shrinking
-Ocean levels rising
-It will change the rain patterns and cause drought in some areas and floods in others
- Extreme weather conditions which will put people out of homes and most likely cause additional deaths
-decreased ozone layer
-Lowering of the oceans pH.
-increased spread of disease
-increased species extinction
-melting of permafrost which will change ecosystems and increase bacterial activity

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_global_warming#Increased_evaporation

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but developing countriesin asia and africa cant afford to live "green" (i hate that term).think about it: to replace all of the coal and oil/gas powered businesses and industries with more expensive, less efficient and less effective solar power or wind power, would probably cause more starvation and poverty in undeveloped countries than there is today.

Undeveloped countries contribute the LEAST to global warming but will be affected the MOST by global warming. You are directly hurting them because of your laziness.

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sure the government in America could throw away the Constitution and force everyone to live "green,"

That would be best. It is for the safety and survival of its citizens. Alas there are people out there who don't understand.

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and all this "flooding" stuff is ridiculous. sure the seas might rise and the coasts might shrink, but its going to take a long, long time for that to happen.

That is extremely selfish of you to not care what will happen to people in the future

Oh geeze, hunter19tennclem.
Not caring is just shoving your head in the sand and saying "Yeah itll all work out.."
Well,sure, when we or our future generations are 6ft under. If you only care when you start to feel the effects - i think that's a shitty attitude.

A warming planet can't be good for crops. Australian crops are already suffering from lack of rain so imagine what will happen when it just gets worse.

And even IF humans really don't contribute that much to the global warming (which in my opinion is bullshit) how can you say we shouldn't or couldn't do anything about it? We CAN do things, we SHOULD do things.
For instance, Australia & the US could sign the Kyoto agreement. You know why my government hasn't signed it? Because it will be bad for business (and i suspect Howard wants to kiss Bush's ass as much as possible, WHY WHY WHY?). Well what good is a great economy and great businesses when the world is dead, and we're all dead?

You live on this friggin earth, you take advantage of its resources everyday without thinking of effects, yet you don't give a shit about it. Grow up - stop being so selfish and ignorant.

will someone tell me please what is the big deal with global warming

sure the earth could be getting warmer, or it might not be, im not a scientist, and i dont care. what makes me angry is that everyone is saying that global warming is going to be the end of earth and that is going to be so bad and stuff. Whats going to be so bad about global warming? i for one think that global warming could be good.
more humidity and rain - turns dry arid areas into good farmland

warmer nights - better for crops

less snow - also better for crops

longer growing season - again better for crops

so all in all global warming is going to be really good for plants and growing food. and all this "flooding" stuff is ridiculous. sure the seas might rise and the coasts might shrink, but its going to take a long, long time for that to happen. so sure we'll be loosing some land, but we'll also be gaining land to - think about it: Siberia will be a much nicer place and so will Canada, the northern USA, Antarctica, Argentina, China, etc. i live in south carolina and its not that hot here in the summers anyway.

secondly, what can you do to stop global warming if it is being caused by people anyway? ... nothing. sure the government in America could throw away the Constitution and force everyone to live "green," but developing countriesin asia and africa cant afford to live "green" (i hate that term).think about it: to replace all of the coal and oil/gas powered businesses and industries with more expensive, less efficient and less effective solar power or wind power, would probably cause more starvation and poverty in undeveloped countries than there is today.

well thats pretty much all i have to say on the subject, so i hope its informative to some.

yes i agree! welll they say its alll nat uu ralll, its a fact the rising tempertaure is only 100 (hey just then a possum came on the deck i got a fright! i gave it an apple) anyway ;p back on track its not 100 times hotter then the centuries nad centuries ago that was a bit of an exaggeration on my behalf, it not normal at all even though there was a many times in history were extreme temperatures followed by a iceage were accuring and in auatralia its winter and it shouldnt be this bloody cold but because of global warming it is becoming "normal" i agree completely.... by the way GET RID OF BUSH! gotta fly
peace : )