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If society knows whats best for it, it'll keep ignoring you.

Society has never known what is best for itself. The few in power have, and they have put all their effort into maintaning and expanding their power.

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Sure, delude yourself that thats why im abstaining.

You can continue to preach your superiority all you like, the fact is, you've proven yourself to be an idiot many times by making unbacked claims, whereas I've taken the time to read up and study things I'm interested in. Stop beating around the bush. Smith-who?

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Many scientists believe we are "contributing" to it, but have absolutely no clue whatsoever as to the extent of that contribution and whether or not it is material or insignificant or whether or not this warming is cyclical. If it is changing (and these trends are not just cyclical - another thing we don't know - we should learn to adapt to those changes just like, oh, I don't know, every other living being on the planet has had to before us.

We know they are cyclical. On average the earth goes through an Ice age every 8000 or 9000 years, the fact that we have overshot ours by 3000 years(we've had 12000 years of nice warm weather)AND that precisely now we have started to notice the effects of pollution on atmospheric and climatic conditions is what makes Global Warming noteworthy.

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Do me a favor and define dystopia

When some nutjobs (eg. commies) pull some Utopian bullsh!t out their arse like this:
Commie Bulsh~t
Then, when they get power and start implementing their mental bullsh~t, society goes to sh~te, and people suffer immensely.
Intelligent enough for you? Of course not, It goes against the BS you believe.

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And what should it be blamed on then? There have been, literally, tons of scientific programs conducted to test the veracity of the global warming theory, and the results have been overwhelmingly in favor of it. Instead of screaming that whoever believes in global warming in a green/pinko/communist/anarchist, you should ask yourself why any scientific reasearch labs would have an interest in proving a patent lie. Remember, investigation is expensive, why would anyone in his or her right mind try to damage it's own resource providers(in this case, industry)?

You mean the results you have seen. There is plenty of research I have seen which say the opposite. Naturally, you will consider these fake and manufactured by beourgeious oil companies ETC. I am not going to go to the effort to dig it all up again and post it, as It would be wasted effort. You've got google.

Why would people go to the effort to prove a lie? We don't know its a lie, thats why we keep researching. I am not of the believe global warming is fake, I just get wary when my TV is only telling me one side of the story.

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still waiting for you to say something intelligent on the capitalism thread, your last remark doesn't go beyond a bad excuse to stay out of an argument your not capable of maintaining.

Sure, delude yourself that thats why im abstaining. Heres the real reason: "Communists should become professional revolutionaries, devoting all their time to the cause".
Haven't the time commie. If society knows whats best for it, it'll keep ignoring you. Otherwise, more death.

Many seem to believe that we are "destroying" the world. We don't know that, though. That's the catch. We have absolutely no clue about that. This is all hype and that's it, this "certainty" that people pretend we have. Anyone who says we are 'causing' global warming is a liar because we simply do not know even close to enough to make that statement with any sort of confidence. Many scientists believe we are "contributing" to it, but have absolutely no clue whatsoever as to the extent of that contribution and whether or not it is material or insignificant or whether or not this warming is cyclical. If it is changing (and these trends are not just cyclical - another thing we don't know - we should learn to adapt to those changes just like, oh, I don't know, every other living being on the planet has had to before us. But the hysterical people are focusing only on 'prevention' even though we have no idea what we are supposedly preventing and no idea if reducing CO2 emissions will "prevent" anything. So, if we focus on trying to prevent something that is not preventable and we realize we should have been focusing instead on adaptation, our children's children will actually be WORSE off. That's the problem. We have recorded history going back what, 7000 years or so? Humans have been around what, a couple hundred thousand years? The earth is billions of years old. Extrapolating a 50-year "trend" far into the future makes no sense whatsoever.

Oh, and just a note about some of these fuel efficient cars. One way to make a car more fuel efficient is to make it lighter and less sturdy. Some research has indicated that even the meager increase in CAFE standards a few years ago has added thousands more car accident deaths per year than before. Another way is to change the fuel source, which currently makes these cars more expensive. Also, if you make cars more fuel-efficient you essentially lower the cost of driving, so the assumption that people will drive the same amounts as they do now in less fuel--efficient cars (and subsequently that total pollution will go down) is not something that is known and can be argued to perhaps be incorrect. Everything involves a trade-off....everything.

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Now your just getting annoying. What was the point in saying that. You make no sense - but then, you are a commie.

Do me a favor and define dystopia. I'm still waiting for you to say something intelligent on the capitalism thread, your last remark doesn't go beyond a bad excuse to stay out of an argument your not capable of maintaining.

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You know, they used to blame any weather happenings on angry gods. Now they blame it all on factories and power plants.

And what should it be blamed on then? There have been, literally, tons of scientific programs conducted to test the veracity of the global warming theory, and the results have been overwhelmingly in favor of it. Instead of screaming that whoever believes in global warming in a green/pinko/communist/anarchist, you should ask yourself why any scientific reasearch labs would have an interest in proving a patent lie. Remember, investigation is expensive, why would anyone in his or her right mind try to damage it's own resource providers(in this case, industry)?

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You should re-read 1984, you seem to have missunderstood it.

Now your just getting annoying. What was the point in saying that. You make no sense - but then, you are a commie.

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gospel and truth aren't two words that go together in the same sentence

And a bird in the hand is not precisely worth 2 in the bush. BORING.

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Read or watch Al Gore's An inconvient truth

Yeah, thats not at all 1-sided propaganda . Maybe we should watch a Nazi film on the Jews and start hating them, because its just so convincing .

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Haven't anybody noticed the changes that are happening?

You know, they used to blame any weather happenings on angry gods. Now they blame it all on factories and power plants. Naturally, the commie will be supporting the greenies side.

Why wouldn't global warming be happening? Haven't anybody noticed the changes that are happening? Read or watch Al Gore's An inconvient truth.

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Dude, please don't treat 'documentaries' as gospel truths. Some of them aren't documentaries, they are propaganda. read 1984.

You should re-read 1984, you seem to have missunderstood it.
By the way, gospel and truth aren't two words that go together in the same sentence unless your a bad standup comedian.

Dude, please don't treat 'documentaries' as gospel truths. Some of them aren't documentaries, they are propaganda. read 1984.

Very funny! It wouldn't be that funny if you saw the documentary I did!

Nope, the Poles are pretty much the same as always. The Russians are about the same too.

Is it global warming or the poles about to change?

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Our best bet would be to travel back to the 18th century and stop the Industrial Revolution.

Argh! Clpo13, don't start the commies off!
I like a recent definition I heard:
"He is a Watermelon: Green on the outside, Red on the inside". (Or pink, as the case may be )

Well, it's going to happen no matter what. As far as I can tell, it's just a matter of how soon and how bad, although I doubt we can affect those very much anyways.

Our best bet would be to travel back to the 18th century and stop the Industrial Revolution. Of course, that's not possible, so we're going to have to settle for major changes of some kind, whether it be ice caps consuming everything or being forced to walk everywhere you go while trying not to breath out lest you put more CO2 in the air...

The question I want to ask is: If it isn't caused by humans, does that mean we should stop trying to prevent it? Say it is caused by the enviroment, etc. It still would be extremely bad for humanity, so wouldn't it make sense to put aside the differences on what causes it, and work more on damage control?

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Originally posted by kibukun:
LOL people who think that global warming is caused by humans or are making it worse than they are being mislead whoever told them that. there is no absolute proof that GW is being made worse by humans and is caused by humans. but! there is proof that global warming isn't caused by humans. many years ago, Rome received it's best wine from England, but guess what? today it's to cold in England to grow grapes! another, today global warming is happening on Mars, there are no humans on mars! so guess what? proved wrong again! this just proves that Global Warming is real and face the facts^ global warming is caused by the sun

LOL I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT ORIBITAL WOBBLES ON MARS GLOBAL CLIMATE CHANGE ISN'T OUR FAULT LOL!!!!!11!one

Arg, stop using the other planets as "evidence". A simple google search will reveal theoretical reasons for climate change on those planets.

LOL people who think that global warming is caused by humans or are making it worse than they are being mislead whoever told them that. there is no absolute proof that GW is being made worse by humans and is caused by humans. but! there is proof that global warming isn't caused by humans. many years ago, Rome received it's best wine from England, but guess what? today it's to cold in England to grow grapes! another, today global warming is happening on Mars, there are no humans on mars! so guess what? proved wrong again! this just proves that Global Warming is real and face the facts^ global warming is caused by the sun

Heehee. Everything is a sign! Whenever theres a hurricane, tornado, cyclone, drought, flooding, excessive snowfall, abnormally low snowfall, too cold weather, too hot weather, its god-damn global warming!
What would the Aztecs have done again...Hmm...OH thats right! They'd start cutting out more hearts, coz the gods were angry. What would the Chinamen have done? Oh thats right, blamed it on their Leader and kick him off the thrown.

Good to see how far we've come

it will destory everything .......

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I think this is quite valid in this case seeing as the climate models we use to predict the earths temperature are only 50% accurate.

Lol, doesn't that mean the model is as accurate as tossing a coin?

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GOBAL WARMING IS AN THREAT TO THE MANKIND.WE NEED TO AN URGENT SOLUTION OR LESE EVERYTHING WILL GET DESTORYED.

Easy there chicken little.

Omkar, welcome to YN!

Please try not to post all in caps. It's much easier on everyone's eyes!