Yeah I don't believe Micheal Moore said he hated America. If you're gonna quote people at least do it right. Also it's really hard to get people to understand global warming. Either they are too ignorant or arrogant to understand what can happen to this world. But then again we don't need everyone to help change the way we live. If we all do things to lower our emissions we can help w/o the help of all those other people who don't live in reality. Whether it's suing less toilet paper, taking shorter showers, or changing your lightbulbs. We can help pick up the slack from those people who are too lazy to take those steps. People don't respond well to lectures. So those people just watch and learn.

After browsing through all the replies to this thread, heres what I have to say...its my own opinion, so believe it/hate it in anyway you want, this is just what I think:

Global Warming is the reality, like "Cybele" said. Many skeptics are out there trying to prove that humans are not the cause of this warming, and that blaming factories and cars is just insane. But thats the point, all that they are trying to prove is that HUMANS are not causing it.

GLOBAL WARMING IS STILL HAPPENING!!! Whether humans are the cause or not, we MUST take action against it. Anyone who lives on the coast will be under many feet of water when all of those glaciers melt...even if humans are not the main cause of global warming!

Deforestation, carbon dioxide emmisions, dirty energy...our lives are full of these contributers to global warming..global warming is caused by the green house effect. The greenhouse effect, in itself, is necessary to keep the earth safe and able to sustain life, however, add in the billions of tons of carbon dioxide emmited by humans each year, and you get a greenhouse effect which is so strong, it is doing damage.

And to those who say there is no proof that global warming is really happening, just read these articles:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4495463.stm

http://www.mng.org.uk/gh/threat/threat6.htm

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0219-01.htm


Denying the facts, and just pretending that global warming is not happening is the true insanity occuring. Would you rather take action and stop it from happening, even if you don't think global warming is real, or not do anything in the first place, and find out 15 years later that you were wrong, global warming was real, and now there's nothing you can do about it. I think most people would agree the safe bet is to take action, because then at least we are ready....

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Yes, Science Channel... You can't go wrong there...

I dont know why but I cannot stop laughing at what you just said....maybe cause it's 4 a.m. or 3:56 a.m. or something else hmmm.....

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I have to pay a visit to the scienc channel website and get these appearnt "facts" straight.....

Yes, Science Channel... You can't go wrong there...

WOW i am beyond confused right now and in a way yes yes we do. Cars we drive. And when the ev came around it was and could like solar powered. And we wouldnt be emitting so much stuff we put in the sky by driving cars. But al the millionares would be put out of business so they got rid of it. Now they said it wasnt efficent enough...wich is bull cause honestly do you really believe that?? And anyways that is a whole othe argument. Now what I AM BEYOND confused about is that I was watching the science channel and that they want global warming on earth. And all this stuff about ppl going to mrs in 2018. And that by putting greens such trees on mars they could put oxygen. And also by heating it up water will come. And basicaly by the 23rd century people will lie on mars?! WTF!! I am like beyond confused right now. Ill be back later..I have to pay a visit to the scienc channel website and get these appearnt "facts" straight.....

I know that my last post says that global warming is on mars, this is true. It may be just another planet, however i forgot to tell all of you why i brought up the subject.

with global warming on mars, scientists know that global warming is not caused by humans. there are no humans on mars, that means there are no cars or factories that can put these "greenhouse gasses" into the atmosphere. you may think that the gasses could have come from the thrusters of the landing probes for the land rovers, but your wrong because those things don't put out enough of that stuff to make this kind of catastrophe. Not even a small one so no, global warming is not caused by humans whatsoever. global warming is caused by the sun.
ps: Oh and by the way, Liang no offense, but Algore is an idiot. He was a useful idiot, what would you expect from an environmental democratic vice-president who supports Greenpeace?

you know you may have seen one of my posts before on how there is global warming on mars, it's true! proof: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html
my idea at first came from my dad i admit and now i find this today

WOW, you sure do point out the obvious. Of course I know I'm going to eventually die. Whether it's from old age or a disease or a car accident. When it's preventable I sure would like to do that. Preventing myself from dying is much better. And global warming wich can be prevented or in this case controlled we can live a little longer. But then again some don't want to live longer but that's not really my problem. So stop antagonizing me cause it's getting old. Or stop with the same old same old. Come up with stuff thats not revolved around sarcasm.


Ahh I know In the future I will end up "eating those words" but for what's it's worth (and believe me it's worth something) I'll take my chances.

well guess what! you die any way! congrats and welcome to the wonderful world of futility!

P.S. the what happens after you die part is what scares me so that's why i want to prevent it. And i'm also sure that other people don't want to doe either.

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Originally posted by EarthGoddess:
If Global Warming is real, I kinda think it's Earth's way of "cleaning house". If billions of us die, that'll suck for us, but that way the Earth will be able to heal itself. So, I'm rooting for Global Warming.

...wow....I acctually think your right...ha your agreeing with a vegetarian...or do I have it backwards. Although I don't want to die. It's what happens afterwards that scares me. So i'm not really rooting for it...the rest though your right.

If Global Warming is real, I kinda think it's Earth's way of "cleaning house". If billions of us die, that'll suck for us, but that way the Earth will be able to heal itself. So, I'm rooting for Global Warming.

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You see things on TV and all these crazy storms and animals dieing, well heads up people its because we suck at taking care of the enviroment

no it's because it's natural for the earth to heat up and cool down. FYI we just had an Ice Age, that's a cold phase so it makes sense it's gonna get hot

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Scientists everywhere now have confirmed that this phenomenon is for real.

You see things on TV and all these crazy storms and animals dieing, well heads up people its because we suck at taking care of the enviroment. Theres a good thing in talking about it, but talking isnt going to do anything. do something. do something about it, sont just watch someone throw something on the ground. pick it up, say whats on your mind and maybe other will follow, if we dont so do something soon, our kids kids kids are going to be living very differently then we are now.


and plus all the polar bears are gunna be gone, and they didnt do anything to us, so why take away their home?

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global warming is caused by the sun

how do you figure that?
And why are you using the evidence of global warming on other planets as support for humans not being the cause of global warming? It's another god damn planet!!!

anyways though, I don't believe it's our fault. Axis shift due to the periodic gravitational field fluctuations in our galaxy... that's what it is. The greenhouse effect bases its whole theory on a greenhouse and a greenhouse doesnt even work the same way that people say the Earth is heating up because of humans.

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If society knows whats best for it, it'll keep ignoring you.

Society has never known what is best for itself. The few in power have, and they have put all their effort into maintaning and expanding their power.

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Sure, delude yourself that thats why im abstaining.

You can continue to preach your superiority all you like, the fact is, you've proven yourself to be an idiot many times by making unbacked claims, whereas I've taken the time to read up and study things I'm interested in. Stop beating around the bush. Smith-who?

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Many scientists believe we are "contributing" to it, but have absolutely no clue whatsoever as to the extent of that contribution and whether or not it is material or insignificant or whether or not this warming is cyclical. If it is changing (and these trends are not just cyclical - another thing we don't know - we should learn to adapt to those changes just like, oh, I don't know, every other living being on the planet has had to before us.

We know they are cyclical. On average the earth goes through an Ice age every 8000 or 9000 years, the fact that we have overshot ours by 3000 years(we've had 12000 years of nice warm weather)AND that precisely now we have started to notice the effects of pollution on atmospheric and climatic conditions is what makes Global Warming noteworthy.

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Do me a favor and define dystopia

When some nutjobs (eg. commies) pull some Utopian bullsh!t out their arse like this:
Commie Bulsh~t
Then, when they get power and start implementing their mental bullsh~t, society goes to sh~te, and people suffer immensely.
Intelligent enough for you? Of course not, It goes against the BS you believe.

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And what should it be blamed on then? There have been, literally, tons of scientific programs conducted to test the veracity of the global warming theory, and the results have been overwhelmingly in favor of it. Instead of screaming that whoever believes in global warming in a green/pinko/communist/anarchist, you should ask yourself why any scientific reasearch labs would have an interest in proving a patent lie. Remember, investigation is expensive, why would anyone in his or her right mind try to damage it's own resource providers(in this case, industry)?

You mean the results you have seen. There is plenty of research I have seen which say the opposite. Naturally, you will consider these fake and manufactured by beourgeious oil companies ETC. I am not going to go to the effort to dig it all up again and post it, as It would be wasted effort. You've got google.

Why would people go to the effort to prove a lie? We don't know its a lie, thats why we keep researching. I am not of the believe global warming is fake, I just get wary when my TV is only telling me one side of the story.

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still waiting for you to say something intelligent on the capitalism thread, your last remark doesn't go beyond a bad excuse to stay out of an argument your not capable of maintaining.

Sure, delude yourself that thats why im abstaining. Heres the real reason: "Communists should become professional revolutionaries, devoting all their time to the cause".
Haven't the time commie. If society knows whats best for it, it'll keep ignoring you. Otherwise, more death.

Many seem to believe that we are "destroying" the world. We don't know that, though. That's the catch. We have absolutely no clue about that. This is all hype and that's it, this "certainty" that people pretend we have. Anyone who says we are 'causing' global warming is a liar because we simply do not know even close to enough to make that statement with any sort of confidence. Many scientists believe we are "contributing" to it, but have absolutely no clue whatsoever as to the extent of that contribution and whether or not it is material or insignificant or whether or not this warming is cyclical. If it is changing (and these trends are not just cyclical - another thing we don't know - we should learn to adapt to those changes just like, oh, I don't know, every other living being on the planet has had to before us. But the hysterical people are focusing only on 'prevention' even though we have no idea what we are supposedly preventing and no idea if reducing CO2 emissions will "prevent" anything. So, if we focus on trying to prevent something that is not preventable and we realize we should have been focusing instead on adaptation, our children's children will actually be WORSE off. That's the problem. We have recorded history going back what, 7000 years or so? Humans have been around what, a couple hundred thousand years? The earth is billions of years old. Extrapolating a 50-year "trend" far into the future makes no sense whatsoever.

Oh, and just a note about some of these fuel efficient cars. One way to make a car more fuel efficient is to make it lighter and less sturdy. Some research has indicated that even the meager increase in CAFE standards a few years ago has added thousands more car accident deaths per year than before. Another way is to change the fuel source, which currently makes these cars more expensive. Also, if you make cars more fuel-efficient you essentially lower the cost of driving, so the assumption that people will drive the same amounts as they do now in less fuel--efficient cars (and subsequently that total pollution will go down) is not something that is known and can be argued to perhaps be incorrect. Everything involves a trade-off....everything.

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Now your just getting annoying. What was the point in saying that. You make no sense - but then, you are a commie.

Do me a favor and define dystopia. I'm still waiting for you to say something intelligent on the capitalism thread, your last remark doesn't go beyond a bad excuse to stay out of an argument your not capable of maintaining.

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You know, they used to blame any weather happenings on angry gods. Now they blame it all on factories and power plants.

And what should it be blamed on then? There have been, literally, tons of scientific programs conducted to test the veracity of the global warming theory, and the results have been overwhelmingly in favor of it. Instead of screaming that whoever believes in global warming in a green/pinko/communist/anarchist, you should ask yourself why any scientific reasearch labs would have an interest in proving a patent lie. Remember, investigation is expensive, why would anyone in his or her right mind try to damage it's own resource providers(in this case, industry)?