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Now your just getting annoying. What was the point in saying that. You make no sense - but then, you are a commie.

Do me a favor and define dystopia. I'm still waiting for you to say something intelligent on the capitalism thread, your last remark doesn't go beyond a bad excuse to stay out of an argument your not capable of maintaining.

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You know, they used to blame any weather happenings on angry gods. Now they blame it all on factories and power plants.

And what should it be blamed on then? There have been, literally, tons of scientific programs conducted to test the veracity of the global warming theory, and the results have been overwhelmingly in favor of it. Instead of screaming that whoever believes in global warming in a green/pinko/communist/anarchist, you should ask yourself why any scientific reasearch labs would have an interest in proving a patent lie. Remember, investigation is expensive, why would anyone in his or her right mind try to damage it's own resource providers(in this case, industry)?

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You should re-read 1984, you seem to have missunderstood it.

Now your just getting annoying. What was the point in saying that. You make no sense - but then, you are a commie.

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gospel and truth aren't two words that go together in the same sentence

And a bird in the hand is not precisely worth 2 in the bush. BORING.

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Read or watch Al Gore's An inconvient truth

Yeah, thats not at all 1-sided propaganda . Maybe we should watch a Nazi film on the Jews and start hating them, because its just so convincing .

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Haven't anybody noticed the changes that are happening?

You know, they used to blame any weather happenings on angry gods. Now they blame it all on factories and power plants. Naturally, the commie will be supporting the greenies side.

Why wouldn't global warming be happening? Haven't anybody noticed the changes that are happening? Read or watch Al Gore's An inconvient truth.

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Dude, please don't treat 'documentaries' as gospel truths. Some of them aren't documentaries, they are propaganda. read 1984.

You should re-read 1984, you seem to have missunderstood it.
By the way, gospel and truth aren't two words that go together in the same sentence unless your a bad standup comedian.

Dude, please don't treat 'documentaries' as gospel truths. Some of them aren't documentaries, they are propaganda. read 1984.

Very funny! It wouldn't be that funny if you saw the documentary I did!

Nope, the Poles are pretty much the same as always. The Russians are about the same too.

Is it global warming or the poles about to change?

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Our best bet would be to travel back to the 18th century and stop the Industrial Revolution.

Argh! Clpo13, don't start the commies off!
I like a recent definition I heard:
"He is a Watermelon: Green on the outside, Red on the inside". (Or pink, as the case may be )

Well, it's going to happen no matter what. As far as I can tell, it's just a matter of how soon and how bad, although I doubt we can affect those very much anyways.

Our best bet would be to travel back to the 18th century and stop the Industrial Revolution. Of course, that's not possible, so we're going to have to settle for major changes of some kind, whether it be ice caps consuming everything or being forced to walk everywhere you go while trying not to breath out lest you put more CO2 in the air...

The question I want to ask is: If it isn't caused by humans, does that mean we should stop trying to prevent it? Say it is caused by the enviroment, etc. It still would be extremely bad for humanity, so wouldn't it make sense to put aside the differences on what causes it, and work more on damage control?

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Originally posted by kibukun:
LOL people who think that global warming is caused by humans or are making it worse than they are being mislead whoever told them that. there is no absolute proof that GW is being made worse by humans and is caused by humans. but! there is proof that global warming isn't caused by humans. many years ago, Rome received it's best wine from England, but guess what? today it's to cold in England to grow grapes! another, today global warming is happening on Mars, there are no humans on mars! so guess what? proved wrong again! this just proves that Global Warming is real and face the facts^ global warming is caused by the sun

LOL I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT ORIBITAL WOBBLES ON MARS GLOBAL CLIMATE CHANGE ISN'T OUR FAULT LOL!!!!!11!one

Arg, stop using the other planets as "evidence". A simple google search will reveal theoretical reasons for climate change on those planets.

LOL people who think that global warming is caused by humans or are making it worse than they are being mislead whoever told them that. there is no absolute proof that GW is being made worse by humans and is caused by humans. but! there is proof that global warming isn't caused by humans. many years ago, Rome received it's best wine from England, but guess what? today it's to cold in England to grow grapes! another, today global warming is happening on Mars, there are no humans on mars! so guess what? proved wrong again! this just proves that Global Warming is real and face the facts^ global warming is caused by the sun

Heehee. Everything is a sign! Whenever theres a hurricane, tornado, cyclone, drought, flooding, excessive snowfall, abnormally low snowfall, too cold weather, too hot weather, its god-damn global warming!
What would the Aztecs have done again...Hmm...OH thats right! They'd start cutting out more hearts, coz the gods were angry. What would the Chinamen have done? Oh thats right, blamed it on their Leader and kick him off the thrown.

Good to see how far we've come

it will destory everything .......

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I think this is quite valid in this case seeing as the climate models we use to predict the earths temperature are only 50% accurate.

Lol, doesn't that mean the model is as accurate as tossing a coin?

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GOBAL WARMING IS AN THREAT TO THE MANKIND.WE NEED TO AN URGENT SOLUTION OR LESE EVERYTHING WILL GET DESTORYED.

Easy there chicken little.

Omkar, welcome to YN!

Please try not to post all in caps. It's much easier on everyone's eyes!

GOBAL WARMING IS AN THREAT TO THE MANKIND.WE NEED TO AN URGENT SOLUTION OR LESE EVERYTHING WILL GET DESTORYED.

Humans do infact contribute to CO2, again i will state that i do not deny this. However, most of what is affecting the temperature change is infact NOT us but water vapor and there is much evidence to prove this. We know VERY little about what water vapor is and how it interacts with our climate, however we do know that some clouds, sirus clouds in particular, reflect up to 75 watts per square meter of the suns heat as oppose to CO2 which reflects 2 watts per square meter. Cloud cover contribute largely to the traping of heat inside the earths atmosphere thus cause an increase in tempurature, not to mention the sun is getting hotter which would obviously make the earth warmer. tThe point is, there are many variables that we do not understand in climate change so how can we make such irrational predictions.

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No, I did not believe Al Gore.

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As for Al Gore, I've watched An Inconvienent Truth, and I can say that 95% of what he says in there is good science

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If you think about it, you're probably all for spending billions of dollars on thigns that we know nothing about. If we never spent money on the unknown, we'd never figure out what that unknown was.

I stated that spending money to solve a solution that we don't even know IS the solution or if it will even help is waste of money. I never said spending money on research is bad.

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Firstly, the "how little we know" arguement is based on science a decade old. We're refining things all the time. A decade of research can tell you a lot.

I think this is quite valid in this case seeing as the climate models we use to predict the earths temperature are only 50% accurate. Unforunately it's the best we have currently but it doesn't mean it's right. This is a quote by a leading climate change skeptic, Richard S. Lizden, proffessor of meterology MIT, on our current cliamte models for global warming: "Not surprisingly, those models are unable to calculate correctly either the present average temperature of the Earth or the temperature ranges from the equator to the poles. Rather, the models are adjusted or "tuned" to get those quantities approximately right." It's true, my fiance hates to admit it but it is true. Every time she runs her hurricaine model based off of previous data she is off by a few dozen hurricaines or so, but the research and the data set she is using is the best we have out of anyone in the entire scientific community and the research she is conducting has never been done before. Why do we have so much trouble with climate models? Water vapor, it is not properly treated in our models today and cannot because we understand the physics yet.

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Oh yeah, aside from the current position on Global Warming in this administration, as well as independent college and oil company funding, there's NO MONEY WHATSOEVER for warming skeptics. Yeah right.

never said they didn't get funding. They don't get publicity, not because people don't believe them, it's just not what people want to hear. Bad news sells. It took months for Richard S. Lizden's article on global warming skepticism to be published and respected. Both parties have presented arguements to the senate and fortunately the media has no influence on the governments decision on GW and they find that global warming is not the threat that some scientists say it is, how can it be? If we have trouble predicting the weather 5 days out, how can we predict CO2 levels 100 years from now, it's just not accurate enough yet.

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You don't see opposition because they are shunned by the media and scientific community for political and funding reasons. Convince the government that global warming is caused by humans and will go out of control shortly and guess what? Big pay check!

Oh yeah, aside from the current position on Global Warming in this administration, as well as independent college and oil company funding, there's NO MONEY WHATSOEVER for warming skeptics. Yeah right.

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My fiance is working on her first publication because she just started her PHd at GA Tech which is a major leader in the states on hurricaine research. Global warming histeria is politically modivated just like the global cooling hysteria just 40 years ago was politically modivated.

We're not arguing the hysteria here, we're argueing about some of the points that you brought up.

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Anyone who believes a politician (proffessional liars) really needs to rethink his/hers source of information. In most cases when a polotician wants to argue a point and this is true for media, they find a small minority of people that hold extreme views and base their all arguement off of their theories. This is done in order to attract popularity. No body would believe a crazy scientist but everyone will believe a polotician who gets his information from a wacko scientist. It's called propoganda.

No, I did not believe Al Gore. Rather, I watched An Inconveient Truth from a skeptical point of veiw but found that what he presented, data and science wise, was mostly correct. I was expecting some foaming at the mouth "the sky is falling" documentary. But it wasn't that.

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I never said humans do not contribute to CO2. You are correct we do contribute, but we do not know for sure how much because we know so little about climate change in general. One discovery could blow everything we already know out the window.

We've been measuring a sharp and continuing increase in atmosphereic CO2 concentrations ever since we started burning hydrocarbon fuels en masse.

Now, we have:

Sharp CO2 increase
Sharp increse in carbon based fuel use
Warming
Historical correlation of CO2 concentrations and warming.

Now it's POSSIBLE that this extra CO2 is coming from some mystery source. However, the likely culperate is the millions upon billions of pounds of carbon dioxide, as well as methane and NO2, that WE'RE contributing.

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I do not think that we can start pointing fingers with how LITTLE we know. This is the viewpoint that most scientists hold: "Global warming IS occuring but we don't know exacatly who is causing it."

Firstly, the "how little we know" arguement is based on science a decade old. We're refining things all the time. A decade of research can tell you a lot.

Second, Most scientists will not say "We don't know who's causing it". They will say "Humans are having a signifigant impact on the CO2 levels, and therefore likely the temperature and climate. We do not know the exact extent of this, however it is likely signifigant".

There's also a fairly wide difference between long term climate research and meterology.

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What i disagree with is things like the kyoto protocol and other means of spending billions of dollars on a problem that we have little knowledge about.

If you think about it, you're probably all for spending billions of dollars on thigns that we know nothing about. If we never spent money on the unknown, we'd never figure out what that unknown was.

As for Kyoto, it's a piece of junk in my opinion. It's not all encompassing.