*Rides into thread on a white stallion*

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Originally posted by Torin2482:
You might wanna try reading the whole post. I sense you have trouble seeing the whole picture, as you have failed to do so in many replies that you have shoveled out to me and others as well. Try reading things twice it really helps. The haox is the the how the media portrays Global warming, theres a difference in opinions when someone agrees with climate change but not "global warming" (in the medias eyes). Wasting my time trying to explain things that are clearly stated in my earlier post is rediculous, try attacking the issue at hand next time, thanks.

The media "hoax" is nothing more than the media blowing a threat out of proportion like they do for everything.

As for Al Gore, I've watched An Inconvienent Truth, and I can say that 95% of what he says in there is good science, and presented fairly accurately. He just fails to prove why it will be catastrophic. But that probably because it won't be catastrophic. Probably.

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Humans contribute to the greenhouse gas carbondioxide which constitutes about 20 percent of ALL greenhouse gases and what we contribute to that 20 percent is a much smaller fraction in comparison to other variables.

Well, we also contribute to methane and NO2, other huge GHGs. But, we' don't contribute a "small fraction" to the CO2 component. We contribute a very, very large portion of it. Go look up the parts per million CO2 over the past hundred years or so.

It's foolish to try and say that it's not humans putting the CO2 into the atomosphere. Because we simply are. We're on our way to doubling the CO2 concentrations. This will have measureable consequences.

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My Fiance is a climatologist and she is utterly disgusted by people like Al Gore and the scientists that back him because the MAJORITY of scientitst globally disagree with most of the assumptions that are being made about global warming and human connection.

Please point me to some papers she's published then. Because I'm a soon to be geologist who's got a few PhD friends that agree with the science, just disagree with the rabid nature of it.

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because the MAJORITY of scientitst globally disagree with most of the assumptions that are being made about global warming and human connection.

Really? The MAJORITY? In capital letters? Because I attended the annual GSA conference and they're pretty much in agreement that our CO2 production is signifigantly driving the observed climate change.

You did seem rather arrogant in your replies, so excuse me. It seems we started out on the wrong foot, but I would like to continue debating.

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I tried not to be hostile, but apparently you took a simple attack on your opinions the wrong way because you started accusing me of not doing my research, being a tool of the media, and simply being too young to know anything.

whoa whoa, first of all, i never said you were too young to know anything, i compared your age and experience to people who are much more experienced on the subject matter. Second of all, semantic slants are typical strategies in debating they are not meant to be insults. Try not taking it so personally, if you would rather me not debate anymore topics with you thats fine, just let me know.

Whatever. I disagreed with you because of what you said. I tried not to be hostile, but apparently you took a simple attack on your opinions the wrong way because you started accusing me of not doing my research, being a tool of the media, and simply being too young to know anything.

Tell me how that was justified. You know, it is possible to debate without insulting one another. I do it all the time. Well, not on YN. My opponents are way too opinionated to debate civilly. You're turning out no different.

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Perhaps I don't feel your opinion is stronger than mine. I'm not here to quibble, either, but you're the one who first demeaned me, not the other way around.

you mean the first to dissagree, i never told you off or said anything to the degree of: I eat pieces of $hit like you for breakfast. I might add that I was also the first to agree with you.

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Originally posted by Torin2482:
In order to be a strong debator you have to have supreme confindence in your opinions but also be open to other opinions if you feel they are stonger than yours, so far you haven't proven so.

Perhaps I don't feel your opinion is stronger than mine. I'm not here to quibble, either, but you're the one who first demeaned me, not the other way around.

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Originally posted by Shade:
Speaking of ocan currents, is there any truth to the day after tomorrow theory?

I'm not an expert, but I do know that messing with the Gulf Stream can seriously mess up the weather in the entire northern hemisphere. I don't know if drastic changes would occur within a day or two, but they would come on rather quickly. Also, I doubt the ocean currents could be disrupted so easily. But as I said, I'm no expert.

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But don't completely discount the human factor. A single drop of water can make a bucket overflow. The tiny amount of damage humans do can change the natural flow of climate change just as easily.

...one drop of overflowing....holy crap

I actually did pass chemistry and i am well aware of what 1 degree does to the climate but i never said anything about 1 degree having to do with humans did i? No i didn't.

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It's nicer when you stop assuming the "whole picture" is your opinion. I specialize in taking people like you down a notch. Deal with it.

haha, what are you some "youthnoise" hero? I am here to debate not to fight like two dogs over who's territory is whos. You've been here a while, thats nice but it doesn't mean i'm gonna agree with you all the time. In order to be a strong debator you have to have supreme confindence in your opinions but also be open to other opinions if you feel they are stonger than yours, so far you haven't proven so. So I suggest you get used to it

Speaking of ocan currents, is there any truth to the day after tomorrow theory?

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Didn't they have record cold temps in New England last year too?

We are having record warm temperatures in New England. They are breaking temperatures set last year.

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I sense you have trouble seeing the whole picture, as you have failed to do so in many replies that you have shoveled out to me and others as well.

It's nicer when you stop assuming the "whole picture" is your opinion. I specialize in taking people like you down a notch. Deal with it.

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How come here in Seattle we're having record cold temperatures? And record snows?

Climate change screws everything over. Things don't necessarily need to get warm, even if the Earth's temperature is rising. It all has to do with ocean currents, I do believe.

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1 whole degree...

Which can make a world of difference. You may be military intelligence, but you clearly failed high school chemistry (see? I can do the unfounded insults, too). What's the difference between 32 degrees and 33 degrees Fahrenheit? Not just one degree. At 33 degrees Fahrenheit, ice melts. At 32, it doesn't. That's a bit simplified, but it shows how a single degree change in temperature can cause major changes.

Now, I won't disagree with you that some people misrepresent climate change as something caused solely by humans and I will agree that that view is wrong. But don't completely discount the human factor. A single drop of water can make a bucket overflow. The tiny amount of damage humans do can change the natural flow of climate change just as easily.

It's because the earth isn't warming nearly to the degrees that the media states. So far it has been found the the earth has warmed 1 degree in the last 150 years according to borehole studies. 1 whole degree...

We're having a really cold autumn in Oregon, too (not winter, since technically it just started). I mean, it snowed last week. It never snows here, and ice almost every day? Not the rain we're used to. Though I am aware these could be caused by other things, like no clouds at night (but almost all autumn?)

Okay, only thing. I'm just wondering. If global warming is so real: Why in Russia and Asia last year did they have one of the roughest winter's on record? (Don't try to tell me that the press played that up or something. My brother lives in Russia)

How come here in Seattle we're having record cold temperatures? And record snows?

How come they had such a cold winter in the Midwest last year? (My grandmother lives in Michigan and she's lived in Michigan or Illinois for all her life, and she says she doesn't remember a colder winter)

Didn't they have record cold temps in New England last year too?

Just asking.

Even if it does escalate to drastic proportions, there's not much we could do to stop it.

You might wanna try reading the whole post. I sense you have trouble seeing the whole picture, as you have failed to do so in many replies that you have shoveled out to me and others as well. Try reading things twice it really helps. The haox is the the how the media portrays Global warming, theres a difference in opinions when someone agrees with climate change but not "global warming" (in the medias eyes). Wasting my time trying to explain things that are clearly stated in my earlier post is rediculous, try attacking the issue at hand next time, thanks.

You say global warming is a hoax, yet you admit that there is climate change occurring? How odd.

This topic is one of my favorite to debate for it is so heavily misinterpreted by millions today (thanks to the media). We all have seen the dude or dudet on TV whether he/she's a News Anchor, a "scientist" or a climatologis of some kind say that global warming is a serious threat today and that humans are destroying this planet as we speak at an alarming rate, a rate that we cannot keep up with if we do not stop it now. You see the funny thing is, there is no scientist/climatologist on this planet that can prove that humans are the cause of this warming that is occuring. Do we contribute to it? Of course we do, how much? To our current knowledge a very small fraction. The reason Global warming has reached hysteria in our world today is because we believe everything we see on tv and frankly we want to believe it. The facts say different my friends, Anderson Cooper isn't right because he looks good doing what he does. Humans contribute to the greenhouse gas carbondioxide which constitutes about 20 percent of ALL greenhouse gases and what we contribute to that 20 percent is a much smaller fraction in comparison to other variables. The largest greenhouse gas effect is water vapor (Clouds), you won't hear anything about water vapor because climatologists know almost NOTHING about it. How much does water vapor constitute for greenhouse gases? roughly 70-75 percent. For scientist and climatologist ALL over the globe to make these irrational conclusions to a problem that they know maybe 10 percent of is foolish. We have trouble forcasting the weather 5 days out and in some areas 1 day. How can we make predictions like this? Global Warming is the greatest hoax of the 21 century, Al Gore and his little cronies will keep lining their pockets with money as long as people are gullable. Climate change is occuring but it is normal, it is what the earth does. We have had warming and cooling periods ever since the beginning. Most of use weren't around but this same histeria was flying around in the 70's when the earth experienced unusually colder temperatures over all and it lasted through the early 80's. I encourage everyone here to do more research. My Fiance is a climatologist and she is utterly disgusted by people like Al Gore and the scientists that back him because the MAJORITY of scientitst globally disagree with most of the assumptions that are being made about global warming and human connection. The sadest part is that their voices are being cut off by the media so no one can discover the truth.

I should also post the link about how scientists first speculated that CO2 was raising the Earth's temperature in the mid-1800s.

global warming is like being drunk. you might get home safe and sound or run some poor kid over. we dont know what the future stores. however, i dont want to take my chances. we can do small things that can ensure our future. most people are just too lazy or think theyre too cool to do anything. global warming is bad no matter how big or small. thievery or murder theyre both wrong. same with global warming. i think people are just snobs about it and it takes a while and sacrafice to adapt. i think nature just hates us because we're big pompus aholes haha

Check this out:

Global Warming Will Hurt Wine Production

A new study predicts that by the end of the century, global warming will cause an 81% drop in the amount of US land capable of growing wine grapes. While wine grapes can't tolerate more than 14 days above 95 degrees per year, the study estimates that up to 60 days a year could be super-hot by the end of the century. Previous studies had been more optimistic about the wine grape crop, as they only calculated average temperature trends but didn't account for the effect of very hot days.

http://www.seedmagazine.com/news/2006/07/week_in_science_77_713.php?page=2