I'm sure all of you have heard about the mass beef recall this past week. This recall was large enough to feed every american two hamburgers! It was also the largest recall in history. This was recall was because slaughter house worker sent 'downer cattle' to the kill line. These cattle are those that are too week to stand any longer. These cattle are more likely to carry mad-cow disease, salmonella and e-coli.
But this recall wasn't only because of disease, it also was because of inhumane handeling of these downer cattle. A video, shot by a under-cover hamane society investigator, shows slaughter house workers abusing these downer cattle to get them off the trailer. The cattle were jabbed in the eyes, kicked, and shoved with the blades of a fork-lift by employees trying to get them to stand. These cattle were never supposed to be slaughtered.
I, as a vegetirian and for animal rights, was just disgusted by this video, story, and how much meat was recalled. Think, all those cattle were killed for no reason.
So, you know what I think, now what do you all think?

I never tried to make you care, I just said that you should.
That whole 'animalistic' thing, my opinion...
We aren't animals. I mean, we are mamals, and are animals, but we do, I know, have a more developed brains . So that means we all have the ability to care about certain things, we (most of us) know right from wrong. But weather or not we chose to live our lives abiding by whats right and whats wrong, and what we care about is a personal decision. EG, you do have compassion, you do care for certain issues. You do have sympathy somewhere. Everyone (well almost everyone) cares about something. Now how likely they are to show it, or what they care for, is a different story.

Oh, but I do believe that animals know right from wrong too. Maybe only some animals, those with more devoloped brains know the difference. Or maybe only some show sympathy. I'm not God, so I don't know though. (That's why I'm so excited for heaven!)

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lol. you don't represent the human race as a whole, so don't claim that humans are "animalistic".

I never said that did I? Nope. I said "Not all humans have the capacity to be compassionate", which means SOME of us lack the ability to care. Your Reading Comprehension is really shitty.

I'll reiterate since you can't read. I am an animal. I do not care like humans. Sometimes other people, like clpo13, don't have the ability to care either. We make up a small percentage of the world. But we exist. And it's a massive waste of your time to make us care. I do not believe I am superior to animals. Never said it, never will.

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Preach? lol. look who's talking.

I don't preach. I punch you in the face until you get what I'm saying.

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Originally posted by EarthGoddess:

"Because of you,
I never stray too
far from the sidewalk..."


Haha, anyway.... Not all humans have the capacity to be compassionate. Such as humans like myself who are more animalistic than your average joe. It's really interesting to me how you folks get so angry at the humans that are more animal-like. Hmmm...

So, with that said; You do not have the right to make someone care. You can show me all the animal slaughter videos in the world, and I could care less. It sucks that I'm so careless, but that is life, get over it. Go preach to those who actually do care.

lol. you don't represent the human race as a whole, so don't claim that humans are "animalistic". furthermore, it's one thing to use the whole "we are animalistic so therefore that gives us an excuse to do what we want", then simultaneously use the whole evolution and intellectual excuses to separate ourselves from the rest of the animal kingdom (you may not think that, but it's how the vast majority of humans feel and think), and therefore allows humans to view their actions and reasons to be above everything that makes animals "animalistic". Sorry, can't claim to be "animalistic", but still have all the trimmings of being separate and "superior" to animals.

Preach? lol. look who's talking. never met anyone who enforces their opinions and beliefs to be more valid than another's, as much as you do AND be so darn rude about it.

so you suck? glad we can agree on one thing. go and do your self loathing somewhere else.

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Originally posted by silent_scream:

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Originally posted by clpo13:

I don't consider this especially important, but I get what you mean. And I've seen plenty of gory videos involving animals getting slaughtered. I honestly can't say it bothers me in any fundamental way. I don't like seeing blood in general, but luckily for me, I don't have to.

I can see where Anneke and Horseartistgrl are coming from and it's people like you who think that 'out of sight out of mind....why should I care any or change anything' that is honestly making this world into such a f****ed up place.

Unlike people who are poor or hungry or suffering from whatever injustice, because you eat meat, the animals are killed because of you. it's that simple. we're not expecting you to care enough to stop eating meat or become an AR activist, but care enough to at least want better conditions for those animals that are reared inhumanely and at most times slaughtered so horribly. The problem does not lie in the fact that images don't disturb you, but the f****ed up thing is that you don't even give a damn that it happens BECAUSE OF YOU. And perhaps you should try to make conditions somewhat better, or support those in some way who are trying to make the conditions a little better for those animals that are killed for you.

Show some compassion and considerate thought. Aren't those two of the primary things that separate us from animals?

"Because of you,
I never stray too
far from the sidewalk..."


Haha, anyway.... Not all humans have the capacity to be compassionate. Such as humans like myself who are more animalistic than your average joe. It's really interesting to me how you folks get so angry at the humans that are more animal-like. Hmmm...

So, with that said; You do not have the right to make someone care. You can show me all the animal slaughter videos in the world, and I could care less. It sucks that I'm so careless, but that is life, get over it. Go preach to those who actually do care.

Wow, I expected animosity, but I honestly didn't expect this much. At least horseartistgirl refrained from attacking me.

silent, and others, please don't swear. I really don't like it and don't want it rubbing off on me. Is it really needed?

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Originally posted by clpo13:

I don't consider this especially important, but I get what you mean. And I've seen plenty of gory videos involving animals getting slaughtered. I honestly can't say it bothers me in any fundamental way. I don't like seeing blood in general, but luckily for me, I don't have to.

I can see where Anneke and Horseartistgrl are coming from and it's people like you who think that 'out of sight out of mind....why should I care any or change anything' that is honestly making this world into such a f****ed up place.

Unlike people who are poor or hungry or suffering from whatever injustice, because you eat meat, the animals are killed because of you. it's that simple. we're not expecting you to care enough to stop eating meat or become an AR activist, but care enough to at least want better conditions for those animals that are reared inhumanely and at most times slaughtered so horribly. The problem does not lie in the fact that images don't disturb you, but the f****ed up thing is that you don't even give a damn that it happens BECAUSE OF YOU. And perhaps you should try to make conditions somewhat better, or support those in some way who are trying to make the conditions a little better for those animals that are killed for you.

Show some compassion and considerate thought. Aren't those two of the primary things that separate us from animals?

To clpo13, I agree with anneke, we don't expcect you to care. That doesn't change the fact that you should, and that it's an important issue. because the way things are handled at slaughter houses today is flat out wrong.... And Bushsupporter, don't come in and be like 'well that's the way things have to be handled today, our population is so high, we don't have time',and so on. That sort of thinking is wrong too. It's because of our high-tech-ness that we should be able to come up with better ways to slaughter animals, more hummane methods. Giving an animal a jolt to the brain, or even just shooting it is better than the way most of your meat is killed. Don't tell me that we can't come up with some cheep, even more hummane meathods.
I guess I'm more of a digniterian than a vegitarian. I don't get upset over people eating meat, just over the way it's killed.

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Although I'm not a religious person, I honestly believe that if Jesus was alive today, he'd weep at what humans are doing to others and to animals. if he was to die for our sins, it'll have to be one BIG cross.

Jesus would weep about a lot of things. What is the point in even saying that.

the point is that if you believe in God etc, then what humans are doing to His creations aka animals, the earth, other humans, is worthy of a sin and is terrible.

Yeah, Jesus would weep for alot of things and you know what? it would be things that humans do to other living things. that's the point of the statement.

Furthermore, I think it was a "go' at all you meat eaters who use the whole Bible excuse. you take a couple of references from Genesis and warp it to suit your speciest needs.

Quote clpo13 :"I don't consider this especially important, but I get what you mean. And I've seen plenty of gory videos involving animals getting slaughtered. I honestly can't say it bothers me in any fundamental way. I don't like seeing blood in general, but luckily for me, I don't have to."

Of course you wouldn't. We wouldn't expect anything different. If it did mean something you would want to make things better for those that are abused, and mistreated so you can have your beloved slab of meat. Out of sight, out of mind. It's that whole thinking by you and the majority of the human race that results in the abuse of others, either animals, the Earth or other people. And is the reason why this planet is getting all f!cked up. Only worry about what is in it for you, and screw anything that is destroyed in the process. People like you make me sick.

But then again, we aren't all the same and share the exact same viewpoint. It's like I don't get cut up about soldiers who are killed in action in Iraq or those people who died in 9-11. Yet you guys are cut up about them. Hey, soldiers have a choice and knew the consequences, and the people killed in 9-11...sorry..wrong place at the wrong time. But at least I can take time to acknowledge it, be grateful for the sacrifice of others for ideals, and feel some empathy, rather than dismiss it totally and live in my little world of selfishness and ignorance.

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Originally posted by horseartistgrl27:
Thanks, clpo13. Please take your pointless comments else-where. Is that all it is with you? Making fun of important issues?
Please watch the video taken inside the slaughter house. I think you could find it onn youtube? Normally, I'm not for PETA (theyare to extreme), but MEET YOUR MEAT!! (well, at least the way it's killed)

I don't consider this especially important, but I get what you mean. And I've seen plenty of gory videos involving animals getting slaughtered. I honestly can't say it bothers me in any fundamental way. I don't like seeing blood in general, but luckily for me, I don't have to.

The point in saying that is that the earth is not the way God would liked it to have been. We all know he would weep at a lot of other things than poor care to the environment, that's why silent scream said 'to others and the environment. But that is for a different forum.
...but...I will say this, THIS PLANET IS MESSED UP!!
....and... do you think that we are treating the environment well? Do you not think that we can all make changes in our lifestyle to help the environment? Do you not understand that we are being super cruel to the world, not just animals, but people too.
I told one of my friends today that much of the recalled meat was put into school lunch programs as she was bitting into a hamburger. I don't think she'll be eating beef from school any time soon.

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Although I'm not a religious person, I honestly believe that if Jesus was alive today, he'd weep at what humans are doing to others and to animals. if he was to die for our sins, it'll have to be one BIG cross.

Jesus would weep about a lot of things. What is the point in even saying that.

Thanks, clpo13. Please take your pointless comments else-where. Is that all it is with you? Making fun of important issues?
Please watch the video taken inside the slaughter house. I think you could find it onn youtube? Normally, I'm not for PETA (theyare to extreme), but MEET YOUR MEAT!! (well, at least the way it's killed)

I was going to say something sarcastic about this recall, but I can't think of anything clever.

Ah well.

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USDA inspectors present the ENTIRE time the investigation was being conducted, and yet these abusive and negligent practices were allowed to go on.

A USDA inspector went to this slaughter house twice a day to inspect the cows, once in the morning, once at noon. between these inspections, workers would abuse cattle, (like you said, old dairy cows) to stand on there feet. They knew that if they wern't standing, those cattle would be humanely euthinized instead of slaughter for cosumtion.
Oh, btw, I am gald that I'm a vegiterian, because much of the recalled meat was sent to school lunch programs. GROSS!! some of my friends could have been eating recalled burgers on friday!!!!! (let's hope they don't get mad cowness, LOL)

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How is this supossed to make me stop eating meat? They made a bad mistake, they recalled the meat. No one got sick and if they did, it would be worth millions of dollars in setelment money. I don't really see what the problem is. This is an example of the right way to do things.

Some big points to make here are: 1, this plant was chosen at RANDOM by the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS, not PETA, so don't even start that crap), and there were USDA inspectors present the ENTIRE time the investigation was being conducted, and yet these abusive and negligent practices were allowed to go on. I wouldn't be surprised if this has happened at other plants; the chances of this being an entirely isolated incident are small. (I'm reminded of the slaugherhouse investigation by PETA where they found workers kicking and stomping on live chickens) And 2, if any of these cows had Mad Cow disease, and someone ate the meat from them, we wouldn't know for YEARS if anyone actually did catch the human form of the disease (I won't make a mockery of myself by attempting to spell it at the moment, so I'll just call it CJD). Even then, it might be interpreted as Alzheimers disease.
Of course, even I'm willing to admit that these cows may not have had Mad Cow; what most all news reports failed to mention was the fact that these cows were just about all worn-out dairy cows, who are often lame by the time they reach the slaughterhouse (you can see this in the PETA video Meet Your Meat).
All the same, the cruelty that was inflicted on these animals is inexcusable.

good for you, Emily for showing a strong conviction. The next time someone pushes the whole "Bible" excuse, also raise these points:

1. The first one is if you want to take the Bible to support your position, then you will also have to agree with the belief that a wife must submit to her husband, homosexuals are immoral, one must not eat cloven-hoofed animals, rebellious sons must be taken to the center of town and stoned to death, the list continues. You cannot pick and choose between points in the Bible without being unfair and arbitrary. If there are any points or teachings in the Bible that you disagree with then you should be able to justify why that one teaching should not be accepted and the ones you agree with should. Because it is so easy for people to choose and pick what parts of the Bible they like and dislike, it reflects more on their own ideas of right and wrong regardless of what the Bible says. It might also show that most people think that the Bible is fallible.

2.what is intended by “Man shall have dominion over the animals” (paraphrased from Genesis 1:26) is open to interpretation. Maybe what it intended is not, “Do whatever you want to the animals, like torturing, eating, experiment on, etc”, but, “Since I made humans with more reason than the rest of the animals on earth, it will be up to you to see that they are well cared for - do not harm (or kill) them unless it is necessary.” So someone who likes this argument needs to tell you why they should interpret the argument in the former rather than the latter. If someone is basing it on the word, ‘dominion’ then there are many definitions in which I have yet to find one that signifies torture and cruelty. Parents have dominion over their children. Does this imply that children can be tortured and abused in order to eat them? I didn’t think so. You will find that some people who use this Christian argument also admit to not believing in God!

3.what about all those people who don’t follow the Bible and/or belong to other religious groups? Does that mean that other Holy Books such as the Book of Mormon, Qur’an, Taoist texts etc, are wrong? What about the Hindu religion that view cows as sacred?

HORRAY SILENTSCREAM!!! I agree totally.
I had a discussion this past week with my family covering the same thing! (I'm the only one in my family who is vegeterian)
My dad says to me "Emily, you do know that God put animals on earth for man's use"
"yes dad" I say
"then why are you a vegeterian?"
"Well, God never said that someone has to eat meat. Infact, he would prefer that we didn't!"
"What?" my dad questions "...God made animals for us, and he wants us to use them"
"He gave animals to us because we have human desire for meat. (and companionship)"
...later that discussion...
" Dad, we treat animals much worse than God would have wanted, now we treat them as objects made to fit in with our modern lives" I say
" That is all cows and pigs really are and should be, Emily,..."
"Since when? Oh, I know, about the same time we decided that we don't worship God, he worships us. (my dad has said that after the 1980s, people saw that that was things worked. Now I finally used that against him) People used to tend to thier animals, treat them kindly, but now we treat them as products on an assembly line!"

As you can see, I'm very oppinionated for my age, forming my own oppinions, not others. I know that I have not been appointed to say what God wants and does not want, but in the way I have interpreted the bible, God would agree.

horseartistgrl27: thats a good point that you have raised. there use to be a time when humans were grateful and respectful of animals because they relied on them so much for food.i think that is partly due to a strong Biblical teaching.

now, they are just seen as products only worthy for human comsumption, greed or research purposes.

i always like arguing with anti-animal rights people who use the Biblical reason for how animals are treated. the whole "dominion" thing, and how "God created man in His own image" propoganda. they always ignore the teachings that state that God is part of all living things and thus, if animals were created by Him, than man should respect and treat them of worth as they are God's creations, just like man was. and since we're on the whole "diet" issue. they also dismiss this refer