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Registered: October 30, 2005
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Yes, that is what I meant. Sorry, for not getting back to you that is. I had forgotten about my post here. I really ought to use notifications occasionally.
When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace
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Registered: January 16, 2004
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Her point is that if we are taking in more protein than we need, taking in less won't kill us. At least, I assume that is her point.
L'enfer, c'est les autres. -Jean-Paul Sartre
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Registered: November 05, 2004
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We also take in more oxygen than we need, so I'm not really sure what your point is.
The more you know, the less you don't know.
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Registered: October 30, 2005
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My cholesterol went down a ton since I became a vegetarian. I just thought I would share becuase I just learned this yestarday. That wasn't even my goal, but it is working nicely. Also, in talking to my doctor yestarday, he said that we get too way to much protien than we actually need.
When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace
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Registered: September 28, 2001
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I understand the point of only being able to get certan amino acids from animals, but you know it really doesn't take a lot of meat to get what you need from it. One or two (deck-of-cards sized) portions is enough meat for the average person in any given day. Also, nobody has mentioned the fact that protein (especially from animals) is much harder on your liver and kidneys to process, so it's much easier to eat too much protein than too little.
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Registered: November 05, 2004
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Actually (too many actuallys!), that's not the one I was thinking of at first (my bad). This is the only "revised" one I could come across, but I once came across a better one somewhere, but I can't for the life of me find it again. And yes, the yellow is oils.
The more you know, the less you don't know.
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Registered: January 16, 2004
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The revised one is the crappy one I was referring to. Better than the old one, but not great. Actually, it isn't just red wine. Any alcohol in moderation (except maybe absinthe, for obvious reasons) is beneficial to your heart.
L'enfer, c'est les autres. -Jean-Paul Sartre
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Registered: December 27, 2006
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There's a yellow category, but no name for it.. Does that represent oils or something? I see a bottle of vegtable oil there.
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Registered: November 05, 2004
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I was referring to the revised food pyramid. Besides, I've come across many different versions of the food pyramid (the above is from the USDA, so it's "official"). One even included red wine as part of a balanced diet, which makes sense (since certain chemicals in red wine have been shown to increase the lifespan of common mice), but could really offend teetotalers.
The more you know, the less you don't know.
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Registered: January 16, 2004
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Actually, clpo, the USDA pyramid was basically thrown together without a lot of thought. Scientific American put out a special edition recently handling nutrition, and the food guide they proposed does not require meat to be consumed, or even dairy and eggs.
L'enfer, c'est les autres. -Jean-Paul Sartre
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Registered: September 21, 2005
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Actually Growing up, I ate meat. I was also always getting sick. I had always liked the idea of being vegetarian, but wasn't serious about it. Then, as I got older, I just kept learning more and more about animals, how they're treating, and being a vegetarian. I was then serious about it. First though, I took it to my doctor and he said it's one of the most healthiest "diets" out there, besides the fact that it is also way more environmentally friendly. I have now been a vegetarian for a full year and a half and I'm way more healthier than I used to be.
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Registered: November 05, 2004
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A well-rounded diet is important. They didn't come up with the food groups at random, you know.
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Registered: January 08, 2007
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Interesting. Well I've been a vegetarian for a little over a year and I'm currently a VIT . . . Vegan In Training . . and I've been doing tons of research on a healthy veg*en diet and have found NOTHING with this information. Honestly I've never felt healthier than I have since I've been a vegetarian. I've lost weight, have more energy and just generally feel quite dandy. I disagree that we need meat to survive properly, especially these days when so much crap is being injected into it. I mean we are the only species who need to cook our meat in order to properly consume it. I would think that if we needed it to survive like our wonderful carnivorous animals in the wild then we should able to eat its raw state. Furthermore it seems almost ludicrous to think that the same stuff that increases the chances of illnesses like heart disease, strokes, and cancers would be needed in order to have a healthier diet. Not to mention MEAT IS MURDER . . . lol but I digress. I'm open to new information and would be interested to know if it were true, but I don't see myself going back to eating meat unless it was direly needed . . like the world blew up or something and I had to live off the land, lol.
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Registered: January 04, 2007
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quote: Originally posted by VeRtiCaLxLiMiT:
There are extremely vital molecular components in our bodies that can ONLY be obtained properly and efficiently through the ingestion of meats and animal products.
Okay, but I'm not talking about getting meat from your parent's farm or a local farm in your villiage or town, I'm talking about modern American agricultural mass production farms that use raise an ungodly amount of animals that have been bred for rapid maturation using hormones, genetically engineered feed etc. Maybe most humans are healthier with meat in their diet, but I don't think that modern mass production meat is acceptable to eat. Modern mass produced soy and rice might have similar problems associated with it such as fertilizers and pesticides instead of hormones and feed, but morally I cringe less when I see a combine collecting a huge amount of wheat then when I see thousands of baby chicks being de-beaked on a conveyor belt. Maybe this is hypocritical, ideally we shouldn't exploit plant life so much either...and maybe cheap mass produced corn, wheat and soy are bad for you too...but animal life is more similar to humans so I think their overexploitation effects us more negatively. For instance, mad cow disease and avian flu are new diseases that have developed because of our modern mass production of meat. It's unprecedented in history to have so many domestic animals bred and slaughtered, and if you want to talk about medical reasons against eating meat, lessening demand for meat production might help lessen the overexploitation that causes the development of these deadly diseases. |
Registered: September 22, 2004
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There are extremely vital molecular components in our bodies that can ONLY be obtained properly and efficiently through the ingestion of meats and animal products.
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Registered: October 28, 2005
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quote: It's as if medical science thinks that "the human body" is some objective machine that needs a certain input.
But the human body is a machince that does need a certian 'input'
draft beer not soldiers...
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Registered: January 04, 2007
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I'm suspicious of medical advice that says "the human body functions best with a diet that includes meat" because how does medical science know that all humans in all societies function best with a certain diet? It's as if medical science thinks that "the human body" is some objective machine that needs a certain input. Certainly most of us have evolved eating meat from domestic animals. But the Hopi didn't, and they lived healthy lives.
Since it takes 11 times less energy to raise vegetable food than animal food, a drop of two amino acids for a diet that helps save the planet is preferable IMO. I'm not saying that a vegan is more healthy or energetic as someone who eats meat, maybe a vegan is less so, but if one can be pretty healthy as a vegan and consume 11 times less energy, then this is a no brainer for the reduction of our ecological footprint.
I read a buddhist named Thich Hanh who wrote that one's diet influenced one's behavior, that the anger involved karmically in raising chickens (that reach maturity in 60 days and are kept in pens never to see the light of day) would make the person who ate eggs or meat from that chicken angrier. Even if you don’t buy this spiritualist connection, American mass production agriculture is unusually cruel to domestic animals, and this makes the animals less healthy, and therefore the meat isn’t as good for you.
Its hard for me to be a vegan because it's a specialist diet, but personally I like vegan food a lot more than any other type.
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Registered: February 22, 2004
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quote: if you eating meat your eating a ton of hormones and anti-biotics and plus you eating a cannibal right I told everyone to eat human flesh...where? and if it's the critters you speak of look for no-antibiotic meat, no hormone meat and free range meats Support Proper Farming of Tasty Critters!
"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done"."
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Registered: February 20, 2006
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quote: Originally posted by ampmaster:
just moving this here from globalhealth
First Some Facts you must accept:
1. no matter what you think mankind is not a herbovore
2. neither is mankind a carnovore
3. man is an omnivore we need meat and veggies to survive properly
Now there are medical reasons to not be a vegitarian. The major one is that some animals and a few nuts produce 8 amino acids taht our bodys need to run properly. Our bodys can not make these 8 amino acids that are out of 22 called the essential amino acids. You can get a few of these 8 amino acids from some nuts but not in abundance. Now animals do produce all 8 of these amino acids in large quanitys and they are very much needed by your body.
end result: to make your body as sound as possible
1. eat a balanced diet of fruits, veggies, meats and breads
2. get the RDA (reccomended daily allowance) of your nutrients (i.e. vitamins and minerals)
3. take a highly rated multi-vitmain
4. take a calcium supplement (especially the ladies among us take it now and prevent osteoperosis later ladies!)
5. exercise: play a sport or do something, anything at all just exercise!
*please note amp is only basicly trained all advice is subject to debate and amp is not responsable for any negative results incured from following his advice. This warning is in place as the advice above is medical in nature and amp does not need a law suit any time soon so amp's just being cautious even though the avdice above is perfectly sound and what you'd get from an actual nutrionest in a $2000 consultation.
well if you eating meat your eating a ton of hormones and anti-biotics and plus you eating a cannibal i personally am healthier than most people who arent vegan im not the one whos gonna die of heart disease or you know cancer in 20
emilie slaughter
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Registered: March 28, 2006
Posts: 132
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i like meat...mmm i want salmon!!!!!!!!!!
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