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Registered: December 27, 2006
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Today, I sent an email to PETA. This is how it read: quote: This question isn't on the faq, and I'd really like an answer. I don't want to be a vegetarian. I do like the taste of my meat. I don't have time to hunt, so I can't have wild meat. Are there any companies who don't abuse animals like the videos we've seen and the articles we've read?
-E.A.
They recently emailed me back saying this: quote: Thank you for your inquiry to PETA. We appreciate the opportunity to respond. While PETA is willing to applaud any steps that farmers and ranchers take to improve the welfare of the animals for whom they are responsible, we also know that there is no truly humane way to "harvest" food from animals. The sheer number of animals required to feed our current meat habit makes individual attention to their wants and needs impossible (http://www.PETA.org/mc/factsheet_display.asp?ID=96). Although we agree that eating food from animals is a personal choice, as an animal protection group, PETA cannot in good conscience condone or encourage the killing of animals for their flesh, just as the Cancer Project, for example, could not reasonably encourage the "choice" of cigarette smoking. For us to advocate the purchase of any kind of meat would imply that we endorse the use of animals for food "production," instead of recognizing that animals deserve consideration of their own best interests—regardless of whether they are useful to humans. Ultimately, there is the simple moral principle that we do not have the right to manipulate and kill animals for our own purposes. Animals do not belong to us, and their lives are just as precious to them as ours are to us. A society that eats animals will always view them as possessions, products, and commodities, as opposed to individuals with feelings, families, and friendships. And as long as people view animals as objects, widespread institutionalized abuse is destined to continue. The best thing anyone can do to help animals is to not eat them. Humans don’t require meat and other food from animals to live—and, in fact, we are better off without it. We have so many choices as consumers today that there’s simply no reason to continue to raise and slaughter animals for food. To learn more about why a vegetarian diet is the best choice for animals, humans and our environment, please visit http://www.GoVeg.com. We hope this helps explain our "radical" position—to compromise it would be a betrayal of both the animals and our members. Thanks again for writing and for your concern for animals. Sincerely, The PETA Staff
Now that is slightly distressing. What do you guys think about this? Upon request, I can post my response to this email. But what do you think, first? Shade
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Registered: December 27, 2006
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Haha, sure. Thanks finn.
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Registered: January 16, 2004
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Well, you can always ask the people at Whole Foods if they know anything. Or raise chickens on your roof.
L'enfer, c'est les autres. -Jean-Paul Sartre
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Registered: December 27, 2006
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Haha. It was my only resource at the time, and I was there. I really don't know much about this.
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Registered: December 14, 2006
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Peta, suck. quote: The best thing anyone can do to help animals is to not eat them. Humans don’t require meat and other food from animals to live—and, in fact, we are better off without it.
They are so far off with the point above. For starters, it is quite healthy to eat meat, in moderation. And we as humans are not required to eat beans or vegetables, if you wanna fucking starve. It's all about choice. Whether or not we are better off without it, it depends purely on your diet. If you wanna eat meat, and you wanna do it as our natural creature would shade, i respect you a lot for that. But I have to hand you a little advice, no point emailing peta about anything, they're such shit. Serious. standing outside maccy d's shouting murderer at people isn't a smart thing to promote to kids, cause then kids are gonna get beat up and not learn much except that people who eat meat are murderers. Ha! non-organic vegans are as murderous as meat eaters, its such a dumb arguement. screw peta. boooo.
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Registered: January 16, 2004
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Well, they market it to sound like a bunch of happy cows and chickens frolicking in the grass or whatever, but the actual regulations that allow a farmer to refer to their meat as free range are not that strict.
L'enfer, c'est les autres. -Jean-Paul Sartre
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Registered: December 27, 2006
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Yeah. Finn, tell me more about free-range meat.
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Registered: November 05, 2004
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If you don't agree with PETA... ...you're wrong. Anyways, they never did address your question, did they? Typical.
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Registered: January 16, 2004
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Eh. I guess they see the issue in black and white.
L'enfer, c'est les autres. -Jean-Paul Sartre
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Registered: December 27, 2006
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quote: to the staff at PETA,
I understand your position, and I agree with it 100%. It is my belief that we cannot help but take from nature, and if we stop eating animals it is just one part of the earth, too. We also must stop eating plants, fungi, breathing, drinking water, and just give our bodies to the earth. Unfortunately, we can't. ( I for one, am opposed to dying )
I am not here to change your opinion ( it would be vain to think that I could ). I understand that any mass-marketed meat producer isn't going to be as humane or compassionate as we all would love to see, but are there some who are less? Are there some who take a step to make the animals' lives better before they die?
You won't promote eating meat if you list a few alternate resources. What you are doing now is hiding behind that phrase and sending a message that all meat industries are bad, and that they all do this... Do they? To be fair to the people visiting your website, you should give all the information possible, so they can choose a balanced healthy choice based on every fact you possibly have, instead of your opinion and the truth you choose to see. Is is possible to compromise?
They said their previous letter already answered my concerns. 
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Registered: January 16, 2004
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Well, that's PETA for you. Unfortunately, a lot of "radical" groups have strong, unforgiving ideaologies that are not based entirely on reality and/or common sense. PETA views animals as having the same rights as humans currently assign themselves, and I've heard them to speak out against things such as neutering and spaying. To me, they seem akin to pro-life organizations, getting hyped up in ideals of dignity and the "sanctity of life" without a whole lot of thought. I share your opinion on meat. I might be willing to start eating it again if I had a consistent supply of game, but I do not, and I don't love it enough to go through the trouble of getting weapons training, a weapon, and a liscense in the middle of Philadelphia. So I guess what you want is free range meat. The problem is that "free range" is defined very loosely, so you might still be getting meat from poorly treated animals. I would like to see your reply, though.
L'enfer, c'est les autres. -Jean-Paul Sartre
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