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Registered: December 01, 2006
Posts: 1
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I want you to name one vegan that has taken everything too far. My dad wanted to be a vega to help his diabetes. I did it because I love animals to much (not just because they're getting hurt, because I know that's not always the case.). My frends do it because thye believe it's right. But we don't force it on other people or make a big deal about everything.
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Registered: February 27, 2003
Posts: 2216
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Vegans aren't hurting anything. Let them live how they want to, I say more power to them. The beef industry could use the trouble. I am officially not eating commercial beef anymore, but that's because of the plant practices, hormones, and other stuff not 'cause I don't like killing cutesie cows. I've been helping butcher moose and caribou since I could walk, a little blood doesn't bother me.
"I know of no safe repository of the ultimate power of society but the people. And if we think them not enlightened enough, the remedy is not to take power from them, but to inform them by education." Thomas Jefferson
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Registered: June 22, 2004
Posts: 2341
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I'm just starting out with becoming a vegetarian. I"m doing it because of several different reasons including my beliefs. I think that it's cool that there are youth out there that know what they want and what it is that they do and don't want to put into their bodies. Keep rockin' on.
I have not yet reached my goal, and I am not perfect. But Christ has taken hold of me. So I keep on running and struggling to take hold of the prize. My friends, I don't feel that I have already arrived. But I forget what is behind, and I struggle for wha
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Registered: June 07, 2006
Posts: 4
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to say that your not going vegan because you support animal rights is contidictory. unless of course your drinking free range organic milk, and eating free range organic eggs? the milk industry is extremely violent with their animals. and instead of being killed and put our of their misery as soon as their full grown, they're kept alive to suffer for the restof their lives.
im vegetarian right now, i will be cutting out milk though. eggs i wont because they're healthy and i know somewhere i can get them where they have saved the chickens and raise them free range. they sell the eggs to suppliment the cost of keeping the chickens.
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Registered: October 28, 2004
Posts: 1864
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"save a plant, eat a vegetarian."
YOU ARE NOT PREPARED!
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Registered: October 08, 2005
Posts: 29
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I preferablly eat only chicken, but i do not like most meat. I love cheese and things so i would die if i were a vegan, however it is a free country and until there is a law that says that we do not have freedoms anymore i say let the vegans do whatever they feel like, because we are allowed to do the same.
Savanah_17
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Registered: November 27, 2003
Posts: 1512
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quote: Originally posted by XxgymnastxX: quote: Originally posted by LOVATO: I became a vegetarian for one reason only... animal rights. I strongly disagree with the killing of innocent animals to benefit ourselves, however, I think that vegans may be taking things a bit too far. I mean, if the animal is not being harmed, then why fret about it? I have nothing against vegans, in fact, my favourite musician of all time is a vegan, I just don't think that cutting absolutly everything related to animals out of your diet is necessary.
Please state your opinion.
so if i attach metal suckers to your nipples for long time periods every day is that a violation of human rights?
Well, that's a violation of human rights. But notice, they don't do that to humans. They do it to animals. Wow.
Just because nobody understands you, that doesn't mean you're artistic.
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Registered: February 10, 2006
Posts: 1881
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I'm a vegetarian, and I recently decided to become one. There's a very basic reason I did it. I don't like meat. I really don't like eating it, I don't like having it in my stomach, I feel gross when I eat it. I mean the whole animal rights thing is a plus, but it's not my driving force. Oh, I suppose I also like it b/c it pisses off my dad.
MN debater, AIM me, I'm probably on and I'm probably bored... toughgirldb8r
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Registered: February 20, 2006
Posts: 5
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quote: Originally posted by LOVATO: I became a vegetarian for one reason only... animal rights. I strongly disagree with the killing of innocent animals to benefit ourselves, however, I think that vegans may be taking things a bit too far. I mean, if the animal is not being harmed, then why fret about it? I have nothing against vegans, in fact, my favourite musician of all time is a vegan, I just don't think that cutting absolutly everything related to animals out of your diet is necessary.
Please state your opinion.
so if i attach metal suckers to your nipples for long time periods every day is that a violation of human rights?
emilie slaughter
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Registered: March 13, 2002
Posts: 3477
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quote: I initally became vegetarian for the reasons that you did, as I felt quite barbaric due to the fact that I was eating dead animals.
Really? I always found eating LIVE animals barbaric. Dead ones are fine, however. quote: I just feel like a barbaric Celt in my cave tearing at an animal's flesh.
The funny thing there is that, in many casees, cooking the meat on the bone is a higher form of cooking. It adds flavor and can affect the texture of the food.
"Do you realize that fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot we have ever had to face?"
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Registered: September 19, 2005
Posts: 21
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quote: Originally posted by LOVATO: I became a vegetarian for one reason only... animal rights. I strongly disagree with the killing of innocent animals to benefit ourselves, however, I think that vegans may be taking things a bit too far. I mean, if the animal is not being harmed, then why fret about it?
I initally became vegetarian for the reasons that you did, as I felt quite barbaric due to the fact that I was eating dead animals. Later on I began to get into animal rights issues. Thats when I realized how cruel the dairy and egg industries can be. For example, a common practice in the egg industry is slicing off the beak of chickens while the birds are fully concious. Many animal rights activists will tell you that the egg industry has some of the cruelst practices in the world of factory farms. I'm a "closeted semi-vegan". I have to hide my veganism from my parents, and occasionally eat small amounts of dairy so they won't get suspicous of it (for some reason they think that I'll keel over dead due to malnutrition the second I go vegan). I try my best to be vegan because I refuse to support the practices of factory farms.
To conquer hate we must use love.
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Registered: November 27, 2003
Posts: 1512
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quote: Originally posted by Greenleaf771: I'm not a vegetarian because I think its "wrong" to eat animals, I just can't handle it. When I was in fifth grade, I was sitting there eating chicken salad and I started thinking about chickens running around with their heads cut off. I know that that's not how it works, etc, etc., but thats how I think.
I'm similar. I don't eat a lot of meat because I don't like the taste, and because I can only eat processed meat. Meat that no longer resembles an animal. I mean, chicken off the bone, or pork chops or ribs... I just feel like a barbaric Celt in my cave tearing at an animal's flesh. Boneless skinless chicken breast? I'm fine with that. A lot of people, especially boys, think that's weird as most girls my age are the exact opposite in the fact that they eat meat so long as it hasn't been ground up and reshaped. I prefer it that way.
Just because nobody understands you, that doesn't mean you're artistic.
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Registered: February 22, 2004
Posts: 13925
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semiveggie means low red meat or meat in general diets but you still have white meats or seafood
"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done"."
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Registered: November 14, 2005
Posts: 29
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quote: Originally posted by ampmaster: I support semi-veggie diets for health stuff if you can't eat it, you can't eat it.
could you define semi veggie??? if you are talking about lacto vegiterianism thats understandable.... but what th hell s semi veggie!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Registered: February 22, 2004
Posts: 13925
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I support semi-veggie diets for health stuff if you can't eat it, you can't eat it.
"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done"."
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Registered: June 02, 2004
Posts: 8337
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Whoops, haven't checked in here in a while. Sorry. Yes, IBS = Irritable bowel syndrome. People have different descriptions, but it's the same general problem - it's embarassing. And that's my main reason for not eating meat, though it's looking dim with recent health scares everywhere.
Live and Let Live. Love and Let Love.
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Registered: February 22, 2004
Posts: 13925
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That is a whole lot of back ground for a single word.
"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done"."
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Registered: December 14, 2003
Posts: 381
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quote: Well, considering your motto is "Red meat kills!" I'm not terribly surprised.
Haha, very funny. That's not even close to my motto  Actually, I've seen one too many commercials for the prescription drug for IBS in women (the ones that had drawings on women's stomachs). Hey ampmaster, I know that was probably meant as a joke, but here's the actual origins of the word vegetarian: quote: Vegetarians in Europe used to be called "Pythagoreans",[4] after the philosopher and his followers abstained from meat in the 6th century BC. These people followed a vegetarian diet for nutritional and ethical reasons. According to the Roman poet Ovid, Pythagoras said: "As long as Man continues to be the ruthless destroyer of lower living beings he will never know health or peace. For as long as men massacre animals, they will kill each other. Indeed, he who sows the seed of murder and pain cannot reap joy and love." [5]
In 1847, attendees at the meeting of the first Vegetarian Society in Ramsgate, England, agreed that a "vegetarian" — from the Latin uegetus "lively", and suggestive of the English word "vegetable" — was a person who refuses to consume flesh of any kind.
From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VegetarianAnd I've heard the "People Eating Tasty Animals" thing one too many times
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Registered: February 22, 2004
Posts: 13925
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"Red meat kills!" I kinda like that motto cause if you think about it man is a red meat and we do kill other red meat and red meat (bears) can at times kill us. Vegetarian: a Native American word meaning "poor hunter" Proud Member of the PETA: People Eating Tasty Animals
"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done"."
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Registered: November 05, 2004
Posts: 6008
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Well, considering your motto is "Red meat kills!" I'm not terribly surprised.
The more you know, the less you don't know.
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