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we are just the same as them, so what right do we have to kill them so violently and treat them so badly

The same right they have to crush and kill/maim thier prey or enemies. There's no rights in nature but those you can enforce for yourself or negotiate between two groups.

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if God didn't want us to eat animals, why do we have canine teeth?

I understand your point, but it was a human that NAMED them 'canine' teeth.

The more vegans and vegetarians in the world, the more people we can save from dying of hunger and the less space humanity has to take up to make it's food.



Conclusion: Vegans and vegetarians are nothing but great.

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what the heck am I repeating?

You're repeating bull about other people repeating whatever because you're basically repeating stuff that has been said a million times in the past 2 and a half years I've been posting here. You are saying absolutely nothing new.

If somebody wants to say what they feel, whether it's already been said or not, they should have the right to do so, without some fool coming along and making them feel as if their opinion is inferior. Nobody is pointing a gun to your forehead, forcing you to read everyone's repeating repeats! Everybody here does it all the time without knowing it! Targeting one person and whining at them only shows how truly ignorant you are.

what the heck am I repeating? other than the fact that she brought up this thread and said absoutely nothing productive or new.

You're the one who's repeating what has already been said a million times over. Let it go.

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Originally posted by EarthGoddess:
*Death Glare*

what?

*Death Glare*

sarelbee, I see that youre new here, so hopefully people will cut you some slack - but your post has been said numerous times already on here, and you have said nothing new. Please read [most] of the posts on here before you repeat what has already been said.

people are a type of animal,
there are animals who eat us

we are just the same as them, so what right do we have to kill them so violently and treat them so badly

any advantages we have physically or mentally are a genetic fluke

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there are about 40 differrent kinds of so-called vegans.

Huh? That's news to me, and I know more about veganism than most of you! But seriously, to me, a vegan's a vegan and a vegetarian's a vegetarian. Would you please enlighten me on these 40 types of which you speak of?

On the "preaching" thing, this isn't really a matter similar to a religious thing. The reason why most people try to get others to go vegetarian or vegan (or just to get them to eat less meat) is because they care about animals and/or the environment. They want to make other people aware of the horrendous cruelty that is inflicted on animals who are farmed for food, which most people hardly know about. Some groups can be a tad pushy I'll admit, but as I have said here before, my favorite "preachy" group is Vegan Outreach: http://www.veganoutreach.org They don't take an "all-or-nothing" stance when it comes to veganism, they even make brochures that encourage people to eat less meat; because if most people just reduced the amount of meat they eat, it would make a marked difference. (In fact, I started out by reducing my consumption of meat, and now I'm a vegetarian) They don't attack people who eat meat, because most of them ate meat at one time before they were made aware of the cruelty involved.

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Just like there are extreme conservatives, extreme liberals, extreme activists, extreme Muslims, but really they do not represent the whole group. I always keep that in mind.

Thank you, I totally agree.

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Originally posted by freedomordeath:
Good point Rainbow. That can be said for many things, not just veganism-especially considering there are about 40 differrent kinds of so-called vegans.

Wow, I didn't know that. Well yeah, that couplet goes for a lot of things; that's why I like it! It's in the Rede. Anyway, yeah.

There are extremes to every group. Some vegans might preach no-dairy-no-meat on other people but I don't think most will. Just like there are extreme conservatives, extreme liberals, extreme activists, extreme Muslims, but really they do not represent the whole group. I always keep that in mind.

Good point Rainbow. That can be said for many things, not just veganism-especially considering there are about 40 differrent kinds of so-called vegans.

All I have to say is "live an' let live--fairly take and fairly give."

In other words, let other people do what they want; listen to their opinion with the same respect that you give yours.

My ex is a vegan and you know, if it makes her happy, then fine. She doesn't push it off on other people or condemn people who eat meat, and most vegans won't. They just live their way and let others live their own way.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by LOVATO:
I think that vegans may be taking things a bit too far. I mean, if the animal is not being harmed, then why fret about it?QUOTE]

They obviously are ok with making that extra effort. if it makes them feel better, who cares?

actually if u want to get technical-LadyMcCrtny
animals do suffer very much for milk and eggs they give. do the research. hate to drop a bomb on u, but if u quit eating them because of cruelty, u'll need to go a step further.

Okay, as some of you may know, I'm a writer. For my writer's class, we were studying tone, and so we each got a tone assigned to us to explore and create techniques of how to incoporate different tones into our writing, and we'd present it to the class. For my project, I got assigned the tone of innocence and childishness. So, I recorded little interviews with kids that I know for the project to demonstrate how you can bring childishness into writing.

One of the interview subjects I used was "Do animals have feelings." I got really cute answers such as, "Of course. You just have to watch Dumbo to know that. That's a stupid question."

But anyways, one girl said something that I think you should hear:

Me: Do animals have feelings?
Little Girl: Yes
Me: How do you think animals feel when we eat them?
Little Girl: Not too bad, because they know that that's what they're there for. Like the fishies aren't scared when they see a hook in the ocean, because they know that sometimes people just need some salmon or something.

There you go. From the mouth of a child.

So, then it is wrong for spiders to exploit the weaknesses of flying insects when they build nearly invisible webs to capture them with? It's not right for owls to use their highly specialized vision to catch mice?

Survival of the fittest, my dear. You use what you've got. We as humans have higher intelligence than the majority of animals (other than mice and dolphins, of course), so we're perfectly justified in using it to the utmost extent. Otherwise, we'd have all died out a long, long time ago.

I'm sick of people using human dominance over animals as an arguing point. We are not superior to to the animal kingdom. Humans are animals too, but we were just lucky enough to have a higher known intelligence quotient than most other species, as well as opposable thumbs. you were born with your intelligence, you didnt earn it, so you shouldnt use it to exploit thing dumber than you.

I agree with Panterayall, animals are inferior and should be treated as so.

Maybe one day I will change my mind if all the animals got together and formed a bill of rights that was recognized by our government.