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Originally posted by bauhaus:
I still dont understand how you can call yourself prolife when want to take the mothers life away, (not literally) but her whole reason to live, you take away her education, her job, her fun. You say she has a chance to do all these things, but what mother who is forced to have a kid she doesnt want will persue these? Being "pro life" is anti freedom.

unborn things dont have freedom, they are nothing in the world of our reality. You have a 6 or 7 month old fetus inside a mother is alive? rip it from the mom, just cut her open and yank it out, whats gonna happen to it? will it live? Youre out in the woods witha knife and you do this, will it live, not high tech machines.

The problem, however, is that I see it as it having a soul. A spirit. And I don't know when God brings the spirit and the body together, but I don't want to separate the spirit from the body, cause if I did, that would be a serious sin on my part. It's alive to me, not in the sense that it sustains life on its own, but in the sense that it has a soul. You however, don't see it that way. That's why we can't agree.

I still dont understand how you can call yourself prolife when want to take the mothers life away, (not literally) but her whole reason to live, you take away her education, her job, her fun. You say she has a chance to do all these things, but what mother who is forced to have a kid she doesnt want will persue these? Being "pro life" is anti freedom.

unborn things dont have freedom, they are nothing in the world of our reality. You have a 6 or 7 month old fetus inside a mother is alive? rip it from the mom, just cut her open and yank it out, whats gonna happen to it? will it live? Youre out in the woods witha knife and you do this, will it live, not high tech machines.

most eggs at the are unfertilized, if you check the package it will probably say if they are or not. I am a vegetarian and i have considered cutting eggs out of my diet many times. Sometimes eating eggs literally makes me sick to my stomach. I think that all living things are equal, but many people dont agree, and wouldn't think twice before killing an animal

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No, chicken eggs that you buy in the store are UNfertilized. No chick in them.

Ew, did anyone watch that Survivor episode where they had to eat Balut ( egg with half formed baby chicks in them)??? That was truly gross.

Nice. The scare tactic.

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Or a pro-lifer who supports birth control (which is preventing a human from being born just as much as abortion)

This is true. But, the reason that being pro-life, yet pro-birth control is not contradictory is because pro-lifers are against abortion because it kills a human life; birth-control does not (unless it's the pill).

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I was pointing out that people who support abortion go and eat eggs, which could have been chickens but aren't because those eggs are meant for consumption. There was a chance for life, but it was stopped from ever getting close. Just like abortion.

This comes far from proving a contradiction. This argument should go into an Animals v. Humans board.

My point was that wouldn't it have been easier just to say, "You are a hypocrite if you are pro-life, yet eat hamburgers." It is known to everyone that animals are killed, whether it is before birth or after birth. Again, the post had no point.

Agh, do I need to explain this to everyone? I thought people would be smart enough to see it on their own...

The point of that post was to poke fun at people who do things completely contradictory to what they believe. Like a vegan who wears leather. Or a pro-lifer who supports birth control (which is preventing a human from being born just as much as abortion). In this case, I was pointing out that people who support abortion go and eat eggs, which could have been chickens but aren't because those eggs are meant for consumption. There was a chance for life, but it was stopped from ever getting close. Just like abortion.

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Abortion is defined as the "killing" of an unborn life form. Most people eat eggs. How are abortion and eggs related? An egg contains what will soon be a chick. However, a great deal of these chicks are aborted in order to make the eggs good for human consumption.

Animals are killed after they are born, too. I don't see the point of this post.

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how many of you are men and cant have children?

All fertile men can have children. In case you didn't know, it takes both a man and a woman to create a child. Also, I didn't know that the ability to have children gives you the right to kill children, as well. Man, I learn something new every day.

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that would be like men making a law about what kind of tampons women could use, or a white dude talking about black power.

Actually...no. The type of tampon a woman uses cannot kill another human being. A white dude talking about black power does not kill a human being. A woman getting an abortion kills a human being (which also takes away the “right to body” from about 700,000 female humans yearly). And you make it sound like pro-abortion is not only a pro-woman, but a pro-human stance - how untrue that is.

"a woman's body is their own @#$%ing temple! hell yeah!" - Jay (Dogma)
how many of you are men and cant have children?
If you are a man and cant have children, than you have no right to an opinion restricting the rights of women on this matter, it doesnt concern you, it's about women's bodies, not yrs. that would be like men making a law about what kind of tampons women could use, or a white dude talking about black power.

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I can stomp a chick (not saying that I would, just that I have the oppertunity to) and no one is going to throw me in jail because of it.

I wouldn't be too terribly sure about that. Around here, people fear to squash bugs in case some animal rights person is hiding in a shrubbery.

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No matter how many times you say it, and it doesn't make a difference wether it's in capital letters or not, humans and animals aren't equal. No matter how much your pretty little head wants to think they are.

Humans are animals.

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I can stomp a chick (not saying that I would, just that I have the oppertunity to) and no one is going to throw me in jail because of it.

There are animal cruelty laws you know. I don't know if stomping on a chick would send you to jail, but it may be illegal under animal cruelty law.
People do go to jail for abusing animals.

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Dogs and cats are domesticates. Theres a difference.

Animals farmed for food are domesticated too, in case you haven't noticed. And besides, it doesn't matter if the animal is a dog or a pig, both of them are able to feel pain and suffer from it, and that's what counts here.

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And yes, Alec Baldwin - the pro-abortion Alec Baldwin - is the narrator.

Hmmm, I didn't know he was pro-abortion...

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Again, I don't understand how so many people, especially Hollywood people, are pro-animal rights, anti-capital punishment, yet pro-abortion. It just seems so contradictory.

I guess the pro-choice movement is pretty big these days. Probably a lot of people think it's the right movement to be in (like I used to think), especially women. (and I must say, pro-lifers haven't made a very good image of themselves throughout history, at least animal rights activists have never murdered people, no offense to you Bogey)
A lot of people on an animal rights message board I'm on (I'm not disclosing the address of it because trolls/n00bs [whatever you call them here] often attack the boards) are pro-choice, and it's a pretty large board with a lot of members.
Go figure.

Thanks for answering, Slewinca.

I have seen "Meat Your Meat." It is a pretty gruesome video. Many people have been converted by it. And yes, Alec Baldwin - the pro-abortion Alec Baldwin - is the narrator. Again, I don't understand how so many people, especially Hollywood people, are pro-animal rights, anti-capital punishment, yet pro-abortion. It just seems so contradictory.

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Why can't you? This right here is the root of most problems. Humans are NOT the best creatures, the most intelligent, the coolest (whatever) in the world. WE ARE ANIMALS! WE ARE ANIMALS JUST LIKE CHICKS AND WE CAN COMPARE HUMANS TO ANY ANIMAL WE LIKE NAD IT IS NOT RUDE TO HUMANS.

As a matter of fact, look at it this way, it is probably rude to the chick to be compared to us...we make war, we are greedy, we have corruption, we have poverty....and these chicks...they have...A pleasant like on the farm. Think about it ilovebush.

Woah. You are one messed up kid.

You kill a deer, you hang it on your wall. You kill a person, you go to jail. Now, I am not saying that you personally hunt, and I don't want your opionion on hunting, but people do it every day and nothing you can say is going to change that. Thats not equal. "Humans are NOT the best creatures, the most intelligent, the coolest (whatever) in the world." That is an opionion, and I can find a thousand people who disagree with it. What ilovebush was saying is that humans rank higer in the chain. That is a fact and so far there hasn't been anything to disprove that. I can stomp a chick (not saying that I would, just that I have the oppertunity to) and no one is going to throw me in jail because of it.

No matter how many times you say it, and it doesn't make a difference wether it's in capital letters or not, humans and animals aren't equal. No matter how much your pretty little head wants to think they are.

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animals farmed for food are treated in a way that no one in their right mind would do to a dog or a cat

Dogs and cats are domesticates. Theres a difference.

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Really, Slewinca, I am quite puzzled by your two stances (animal rights and abortion). Do you denounce the meat industry only because the animals feel pain when they are killed?

Actually I do lean somewhat to the pro-life side mostly because of the innocent being complex (like with animals). And I have noticed that prochoice groups are a little like pro-meat groups, they both made the pro-lifers (pro human and animal) look crazy and violent. It's evident with many feminist groups. It jsut seems like when they hear about a pro-lifer doing something crazy or violent, they then judge all pro-lifers to be that way. A lot of people judge animal rights people like that too. (I for one am sick to death of hearing about the red paint thing)
Just my opinion.

That being said, I oppose the meat industry because of the treatment of the animals before slaughter; how they're raised. Along with the things I listed on my first post on this thread, animals farmed for food are treated in a way that no one in their right mind would do to a dog or a cat (and they would probably be arrested for animal cruelty if they did). Animals are helpless under our might and deserve at the very least our mercy. This video should help explain a lot (if you haven't seen it before that is) : www.meetyourmeat.com I guess it's kind of like the "silent scream" of animal rights, but it's still a good video to start with. Just click on the big cow picture on the right to watch it. (BTW it's narrated by Alec Baldwin!)

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You can not compare an unborn baby chick to an unborn human. Thats rude to humans comparing us to animals...

Why can't you? This right here is the root of most problems. Humans are NOT the best creatures, the most intelligent, the coolest (whatever) in the world. WE ARE ANIMALS! WE ARE ANIMALS JUST LIKE CHICKS AND WE CAN COMPARE HUMANS TO ANY ANIMAL WE LIKE NAD IT IS NOT RUDE TO HUMANS.

As a matter of fact, look at it this way, it is probably rude to the chick to be compared to us...we make war, we are greedy, we have corruption, we have poverty....and these chicks...they have...A pleasant like on the farm. Think about it ilovebush.

P.S. Doesn't it bother you that the one person you love is the same that more than half of America and nearly the entire world hates with an intense passion?

I don't care about eggs, meat, or abortion. Just cannibalism.

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Really, Slewinca, I am quite puzzled by your two stances (animal rights and abortion). Do you denounce the meat industry only because the animals feel pain when they are killed?

I gather it has to do with the reason animals are killed and the manner it is done in.

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I always wonder how someone can be a hardcore pro-lifer and eat eggs and sausage every day.

I always wonder how someone can be a hardcore animal rights activist, yet have a foggy stance on the abortion issue - an issue where one side supports the killing of animals called humans, and the other side totally denounces it.

Really, Slewinca, I am quite puzzled by your two stances (animal rights and abortion). Do you denounce the meat industry only because the animals feel pain when they are killed?

Don't you think I know that? This post was made completely in jest, to poke fun at people who have "contradictory beliefs" as one person once put it. It's the principle of the matter that I'm showcasing.

*grumbles* Stuck-up newbies...