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Registered: March 18, 2005
Posts: 6
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No, chicken eggs that you buy in the store are UNfertilized. No chick in them. I support abortion, but you need your facts straight.
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Registered: December 14, 2003
Posts: 381
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Geez, I wasn't trying to crucify you clpo, I was just adding to the point you're making in this post, that's all. I always wonder how someone can be a hardcore pro-lifer and eat eggs and sausage every day. The ability of a fetus to feel pain is debateable, but there's no doubt in my mind that animals feel pain like we do. Then again, I have yet to take a side on the pro-life/pro-choice issue because: 1. Both sides have good arguments from what I've seen not here but in other places. 2. I would feel somewhat guilty for choosing one side over another since either way, someone will be exploited. 3. I don't know everything that there is to know about the issue so I can't make an educated decision. But I do support birth control, safe sex and etc. Just my two little cents
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Registered: November 05, 2004
Posts: 6008
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Humans are animals. Simple fact. We have hair, we consume plants and flesh, we reproduce. According to the definition of an animal, we fit perfectly. Humans merely have a higher average intelligence, and that somehow "sets us apart". Other than that, I wholeheartedly agree with you about abortion.
The more you know, the less you don't know.
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Registered: March 10, 2005
Posts: 745
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"Abortion is defined as the "killing" of an unborn life form. Most people eat eggs. How are abortion and eggs related? An egg contains what will soon be a chick." You can not compare an unborn baby chick to an unborn human. Thats rude to humans comparing us to animals... Now I'm not saying I'm anti-abortion (I'm actually for it under certain circumstances), but the human egg (that is less than a quarter of the size of your pinkie finger nail when aborted) isnt really a "human" when doctors cut off progress to the egg. People make it sound like abortion doctors wait until the 7 pound baby comes out of the womb, and then they violently kill it. No, the egg is microscopic when they end its progression. So please dont act like it is an immoral thing (and dont compare it to animals)....
"We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." - James Madison
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Registered: November 05, 2004
Posts: 6008
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I didn't ask to be crucified by websites I'm never going to visit. It's just a bit of perspective. You didn't think I was serious, did you?
The more you know, the less you don't know.
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Registered: November 22, 2004
Posts: 750
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Abortion is a term related to humans though I think. If you are going to talk about abortion as it relates to animals you would also have to talk about animals having a choice or not having a choice, they do not make those kinds of choices. What we call abortion in humans is just slaughter in animals.
"Mac, you ever been in love?" - "No, I've been a bartender all my life."
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Registered: December 14, 2003
Posts: 381
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quote: An egg contains what will soon be a chick. However, a great deal of these chicks are aborted in order to make the eggs good for human consumption.
From what I know about eggs and the egg industry, it doesn't exactly play out like that: One, a hen has to mate with a rooster in order to fertilize her eggs. If this does not happen, there will be no chick inside the egg and there wil never be one either. The way egg laying hens are raised keeps them entirely separate from any roosters so that's why most eggs from grocery stores do not have chicks in them. However, the egg industry kills chicks in a different way. At breeding facilities (hatcheries) where the egg laying hens are bred and hatched, the male chicks, who will be too small to be used for meat, are killed soon after hatching, and they don't really care how they're killed either. They suffocate them, throw them into trash cans while still alive, and grind them up while they're still fully conscious. For more information on the cruelty of the egg industry, click on these sites: http://www.factoryfarming.com/eggs.htm http://www.factoryfarming.com/gallery/photos_egg.htm www.eggcruelty.com www.eggscam.com http://www.peta.org/mc/factsheet_display.asp?ID=99 Also, the dairy industry isn't too kind to calves either. To give milk, a dairy cow has to be continuously be impregnated and give birth to a calf every year. After birth, the calf is separated from the mother so more milk goes to humans. The female calves are kept on the farm to replace the worn out cows (who live only up to about five years and are then slaughtered for hamburgers), but the males are sometimes sent to veal farms, where they are chained by the neck in a small stall where they can't even turn around or lay down comfortabily. They are given an anemia-inducing formula, which is intended to make their flesh as pale as possible. After 12-23 weeks, the weak calves are slaughtered. If you drink milk, you support the veal industry. For more information on the dairy/veal industries, click on these sites: www.noveal.org www.milksucks.com www.notmilk.com http://www.factoryfarming.com/dairy.htm http://www.factoryfarming.com/veal.htm http://www.peta.org/mc/factsheet_display.asp?ID=98 http://www.peta.org/mc/factsheet_display.asp?ID=102To add to that, when animals like cows and pigs are slaughtered, if they're pregnant, their fetus(es) will be aborted, no matter how far along they are. This is especially true in pigs, since many schools practice fetal pig dissection. So if you eat meat, you support abortion in animals. And on a non-meat or animal product related matter, some forms medical research involve experimenting on fetal animals. For example, research that the March of Dimes funded involved removing fetal kittens from the uterus, implanted pumps into their backs to inject a drug that destroys nerves, then re-implanted the fetuses in the uterus. After the kittens were born, they were killed and studied. They also funded research in which researchers implanted electric pumps into the backs of pregnant rats to inject nicotine, even though the dangers of cigarette smoking to human babies is already known, injected pregnant rats with cocaine, though the dangers of cocaine to human babies is already known as well. And they also funded research in which they destroyed the ear drums of unborn lambs, then killed the mother sheep and lambs just before birth to examine the brains. (for more info on this, check out www.marchofcrimes.com) So if you donate to medical research funding charities, you just may be funding fetal experimentation. So just think about that like clpo said. (By the way, thanks for posting this clpo, If I had posted this, people would have thought I was crazy!  )
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