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My answer was "Most animals that you eat such as pigs and cow and chicken (ext.) are RAISED as livestock to feed humans and are in NO DANGER of extinction."

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Humans are in no danger of extinction. Lets start eating each other! I'm reminded of Jonathon Swift's "A Modest Proposal."

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"Plus, the whole 'Circle of Life' thing, is true. It's just the food chain. We happen to be on the top. That's how God made it."

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God gave us animals (I'm going by the bible even though I don't really believe in it) and made us have control over them. He never stated, "Hey, eat them as much as you can." If this was true, I don't believe God would have given them lives. They would be plants.

I believe that animals have one right: The right to live naturally and free from human harm. That shouldn't be a lot to ask seeing as technology and human beings have developed to new pinnacles, but this one right for animals hasn't been acheived yet.

A bit off topic, but please give some respect for vegetarians/vegans/animal rights activists. There are a lot of generalizations that animal rights are all we care about, but I do realise human problems as well. I read this on an article at BBC News...

"Until animal rights extremists are treated as terrorists they will hold hostage the future of British public health."

Hah. Animal rights activists are even considered terrorists for finding animal testing primative. Funny world.

living creatures like you and me. What makes you think that they're lives aren't as important as ours?

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It isnt racism free. Creatures besides humans are races of their own, and your posts are racist towards them.

-cough-Kerrywillbeatyoudown-cough-

Fact: It takes at least 16 lbs of soybeans and grain to produce one pound of meat in an average steer.

We could all become vegetarians and survive. It would be the healthiest thing for the planet, as your one-pound hamburger could feed 16 people an equal weight of food- had the grain been put to better use. I'm not saying beef animals are bad- they have a right to live too. But mass producing meat in the way we have been forced to is wrong. I'm a vegetarian myself- I loved the taste of meat, loved bacon, practically lived on meat alone. But I changed my ways, and I'm happier and healthier because of it.

I know animals feel. They're just as intelligent or moreso then humans. I am a very intuitive person, I can hear and understand what animals are saying. Many consider me a fake, but thats fine with me. I know my abilities and limits, obviously they dont.

For example: Jonesy, my own dog's 'best friend' at the local dog park was behaving normally. Her gait was smooth, and as she played with the other dogs everything seemed ok. I got a message that one of her hind paws hurt. Immediatly I thought I had heard Sampson, a different dog who had been attacked recently by another dog. I told both of the caretakers that I had heard one of their dogs, and asked if one of the dogs had a foot injury lately. They both said no, but Jonesy's mom went home that night and checked Jonesy's hind paws, and sure enough there was a cut between the pads that was infected. Jonesy had no outward signs of sickness. This sort of thing happens nearly daily. When people refer to dogs as 'dumb animals', I remind them that we too are animals and try to show them my perspective. If they still brush it off as false, so be it. I tried, and its only their loss.

I agree with Aimee, I too am an ethical vegetarian and believe in nature, but I don't think that excuses torture.

~Kitty

"The sky is darkening like a stain,
Something is going to fall like rain,
And it won't be flowers."

(This is not a response to any one post, just my thoughts on the whole topic).

I am a vegetarian and a supporter for animal rights.... however, let me explain. I know that animals have emotions and thoughts. Not the same way we do, maybe, but just as important. I don't have a problem with people eating meat, really. I look at nature and the "circle of life" and realize that humans are omnivores and our bodies have evolved to need the protein, etc. I do have a problem with the way animals are killed, though. I have read too much and watched to many videos of live chickens getting stuffed into a blender, or live pigs having their throats slit while they are hanging upside down.

Anyone who denies that animals have emotions and "thoughts" is just plain ignorant. That is why the meat industry has to become more humane. Animals in the meat industry don't deserve the treatment they get.

Another reason why I'm vegetarian is I want to learn about alternatives to animals in every way. Even though cows, pigs, and chickens aren't endangered, there are many animals that are- like mountain gorillas. According to research, the four great apes (chimpanzees, bonobos, gorillas, and orangutans) will be extinct from the wild in about 20 years. Many many many of them are killed for bushmeat. By becoming vegetarian, I'm learning what alternatives are out there for me to pass on (cuz someday I'm going to Africa to work on conservation).

Bottom line (for me) is that animals should have more rights than they do today. Chimpanzees (who are, what, 98% genetically identical to us?) don't deserve to be put in small cages and tested, or made to perform for our amusement. We are all part of the whole "circle of life" all exist for each other. We shouldn't abuse or exploit animals just because we can.

YES, i beleive that animals have rights and that it is cruel and inhumne to kill and eat them or to test household products and cosmetics on them and that we should not mistreat them and directly cause them pain, suffering, or death. I'm a vegetarian and try to buy products that weren't tested on animals (darn Procto and Gamble owning Cover Girl, oh well, atleast Revlon doesn't test their product on animals).

FACT: Did you know that when cows are on their way to the slaughter house, thier heart rate is the same of that of the soliders in the war b4 they approached the battle field!!!!-

okay that's interesting but are you sure it's for the same reason? i love animals but they are here so that we can eat. I do NOT like the idea of people torchering them or killing them just because. like a couple of guys i know found a puppy with a messed up leg. they started beating it with a stick and throwing it around and grabbing it and practically pulled it apart. (it died, no duh) I can't understand why some one would do that it's sick and WRONG. it's disgusting and just awful to do something like that. but when it comes to cows and pigs and the things that i eat, i still don't want them to suffer or to die but fact is it's the way of life. people shouldn't kill them just because but as for kill to eat, it's sad but that's the way it is. besides i really don't think i could eat only the green stuff.

WorthWaitingFor, you can eat whatever you want, but you should at least educate yourself about the AR movement's side of it first.
www.noveal.org (watch the "veal: fughedaboutit!" movie, it's great!)
www.chickenindustry.com

Man o man I love threads like this...

My name's sarah

I witness a great deal of animal torcher daily..

FACT: Did you know that when cows are on their way to the slaughter house, thier heart rate is the same of that of the soliders in the war b4 they approached the battle field!!!!

There is several issues that are inhumane when it comes to ANIMAL RIGHTS!!!!!!!
ANIMALS DO HAVE RIGHTS

They do and can feel PAIN

I believe that one day animals rights will become maintained! But for now, we can only do our best to help any of them in anyway we bloody well can!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't think that humans are better than other animals and I see no reason to abuse them for cosmetics, amusement etc. I wouldn't want to be harmed for any reason, so I don't want to harm anything/anyone else. Pain is pain, and it's not like the animal's experience of it is going to make moral sense and somehow be less horrible.

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if hunters wouldnt reduce the population there would be too many animals for the little land thats left

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I'm all for hunting if that's what you need to do to eat. But the reason there's no land left is human overpopulation. The vegetation and wildlife in protected forests aren't suffering because of the lack of hunters.

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If every human being stopped eating meat, which is against our nature since we are naturaly omnivores, everyone would starve

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I'm not so sure about that. Our long digestive tracts and flat teeth suggest that we may be natural herbivores. (cows are natural herbivores but are fed meat) Plus, if you're buying your food instead of killing it yourself, meat is extremely expensive in comparison to other protein sources like nuts and legumes. At least in North America. (I'm not gonna pretend to know what it's like elsewhere.)

anumals do have rights. bo living thing should be neglected or abused if it relies on people to care for it.this is wrong.what isnt wrong is hunting.its is quick and relitively painless for the animal.it also benifits the forest and animal population.if hunters wouldnt reduce the population there would be too many animals for the little land thats left.so animals have some rights but they dont have souls and shouldnt be treated as people should be treated.

To an extent, animals have rights.

But you can also say that to an extent, humans have rights.

Humans can't torture/kill other humans just for the fun of it. So therefore humans can't torture/kill animals just for the fun of it. And, as we are continuing this trend, animals probably shouldn't torture/kill other animals for the fun of it---but that's probably just going to happen as well.

So I like eating animals (I'm a big fan of chicken and veal). And I love having animals as pets (two dogs, two ferrets, and a pig at the current moment---and, no, not the eatin' kind of pig). I have a right to pet, feed, and take care of my pets and keep them healthy and happy. I do not have a right to kick them, beat them, or harm them in anyway. I do, however have a right to discipline them. If they bark at a visitor, I can tell them to be quiet or beat a piece of newspaper against my own hand. If they continue to be out of hand, including nipping or biting my visitor in any way, I may tap them on the nose with the newspaper. I will not go any farther than that and I do not think I have a right to.

What I am saying is that animals have some of the same right as us---but not all of them. No matter what anyone says, animals are inferior to us. No, this doesn't mean that we should treat them with disrespect or kill/torture them for fun (they should never be tortured and only killed for food). As Sirius Black would say, "If you want to know the true character of a man, see how he treats his inferiors," or something to that effect. I believe I treat my animals, who are inferior to me, perfectly well without letting them rule over my life. And I refuse for the Animal Rights Movement to take away my delicious meals of chicken and/or veal.

"They question is not 'Can they speak?,' nor 'Can they reason?,' but can they suffer?"

I was going to say a lot more, but I don't feel like dealing with animal exploiters.

I love animals. I have sevaral pets. And I know that they are loveing feeling critters.
BUT I think that the AR people are a little over board. hehe... There are so many people out there that need help, why focus SO much attention on animals?

Animals should not be tortured/killed/used to test highly dangerous chemicals (ext.) for any purposes other than:

1. They are starving because their population is too large against too little food (example: the deer)

2. They are in pain and it would be less torturous for them if they were just put out of their misery (example: an animal has a disease that is causing more pain for it then if it were just "put to sleep")


I do believe though, that do have a certain amount of rights. They are, after all, living creatures.

But, even though this is a little off topic, I DON'T BELIEVE YOU SHOULD BECOME A VEGITARIAN SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU'RE EATING AN ANIMAL.

My friend told me once "How can you eat a poor, dead animal?! That someone killed just for FOOD?!"

My answer was "Most animals that you eat such as pigs and cow and chicken (ext.) are RAISED as livestock to feed humans and are in NO DANGER of extinction."

"Not only that, but think about it: If every human being stopped eating meat, which is against our nature since we are naturaly omnivores, everyone would starve."

"Where would we find enough vegetation for the entire human race? PLUS all creatures who CAN'T eat meat? That's over a BILLION mouths to feed. Where would we get so much food that wasn't meat?"

"Plus, the whole 'Circle of Life' thing, is true. It's just the food chain. We happen to be on the top. That's how God made it."

I rest my case.

It may be instinct but I still think animals are much smarter than we think.

It was instinctive for us to begin talking 200,000 or so years ago. It was also instinctive to start walking on two legs which could possibly be what gave such a huge advantage over other mammals.

"So, what do you all think of the Animal Rights(AR) movement?"

i think it is a joke run by hypocritical idiots to trick people out of their money.. the animal rights movement is so full of lies and mistruths that it can only be taken seriously by misinformed people with no knowledgeable grasp on animals.

"Do you feel that animals have inherent rights?"

to a degree.. animals should not be tortured on purpose, for amusement etc..
animals should not be killed for no good reason(ie
"hey lets kill this dog for fun" etc)

but they do not have the rights proposed by the wacko AR community..

"If so, should humans be allowed to infringe on those rights merely to satisfy a replaceable interest"

see, this question has no validity when balanced against my answer above..

"If you do not believe animals have rights, do you still believe all humans have inherent rights and are deserving of moral consideration?"

yes but the problem with your question, is that you are talking in a general way.. and this question can't be answered in terms of broad generalizations.

"If you do, what distinctly human characteristic do we all possess which makes us deserving of rights/moral consideration, but not other sentient beings?"

again, to broad.. but either way a simple answer for you.. we ARE humans.. it is that simple.. we are one of the few if not the only species that even places considerations on other species.. all species are more concerned with the survival of themselves and their own species than of another species.. do you deny this? do you see any chimp AR groups forming? no, of course not...

if you actually buy into the BS sold by groups like PETA then you really need some help.. or you have no clue about PETA.....

actaully it depends on teh aniaml. if the animal has rabies or is a threat to humans. it should be killed. but if its just an animal doing its instincts then it should not be killed.

-Redrepublican Esq., HIS Secretary

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