The People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals certainly know how to get attention. Their comic pamphlets entitled "Your Mommy Kills Animals" and recent publicity in the news regarding their employment of arsonists to set fire to cancer research labs and vandalize people's clothing with paint have raised many eyebrows. Anna Wintour, editor-in-chief of Vogue fashion magazine, is often a target of PETA's harassment since she refuses to stop featuring fur clothing in Vogue. Celebrities such as Clay Aiken and Beyonce Knowles have been criticized for hating cats and wearing fur stoles.
While their goal is honorable, their approach to solving the problem is distasteful and vulgar. How can anyone take them seriously when they act like a bunch of immature, pretentious, lunatics?

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Hi, my name is Alicia and I was hoping someone can fill me in with this whole PETA thing. Some people have posted that its distasteful and vulgar... can someone please explain.. thanks

I would suggest you research it yourself. You can start by reading the various threads about it, but you probably want to consider some info that isn't from YN as well.

Hi, my name is Alicia and I was hoping someone can fill me in with this whole PETA thing. Some people have posted that its distasteful and vulgar... can someone please explain.. thanks

I think PETA would be a good organization, if they didn't go as far as what they have. If they just tried to spread the word, they would be good. But now they poured blood on people (or so ive heard) and have done really bad stuff. I just wish they would be a little bit niceer about it.

Hey tiger, I asked the admin of the PETA message board for teens (for their protection I will not list the site) about silver springs and the points that you brought up in our last debate about it because he (she?) works in PETA's headquarters and would know what's going on and he (she?) had this to say:

"The charges against the lab were dropped on legal technicalities (the vivisector had been found guilty of state statutes against cruelty to animals, but since the vivisector was funded by the federal government and not the state, it was decided by the court that he didn’t have to abide by state statutes).

It’s true that Pacheco took the photographs of the monkeys when other lab workers were away, but he didn’t construct the stereotaxic devices in which the monkeys were held immobile; he didn’t mutilate the monkeys – something that’s laid out clearly in the vivisector’s experimental protocol; he didn’t take feces in various stages of rot and cake it onto the cages; he didn’t bring living and dead roaches from elsewhere and set them loose in the lab; he didn’t find deceased monkeys and throw them into the refrigerators. The lab was already a hell hole well before Pacheco came on the scene. Pacheco’s crime was to document the atrocities being conducted on the animals imprisoned in the lab and to make them public.

The tragic affair of the Silver Spring monkeys set a legal precedent for animals in labs. Animal protectionists received a crash course on the lengths to which the vivisection industry will go to obfuscate the truth and to silence its opponents. The lessons learned from the episode informed future battles in which the animal community exhibited greater sophistication and savvy.

It’s amazing to me that the bald faced lie about the rabbits and chickens continues to be circulated. A person only has to take a look at PETA’s history of campaigns to know that the organization has never backed away from difficult or unpopular battles. PETA has consistently investigated, campaigned, and advocated for all animals and we’ve continued to push the envelope in having people think about beings who had earlier had been off of most people’s radar screens. Our current campaign against KFC – chickens; our investigations into the labs at the University of North Carolina (rats & mice); our brand new wool campaign; and our “Fishing Hurts” campaign are some examples."

"I don't even understand the one about animals being killed to house the monkeys. They were originally hid in someones basement. The rumor-mill thinks that originally there were rabbits and chickens in the basement?"

For those of you who didn't have the pleasure of being involved in our last debate *sarcasm*, tiger said that to make room for the rescued monkeys from silver springs lab, 32 rabbit and chickens were killed.
I said it was a rumor I heard. (which it was really)

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I believe that PETA only goes to the lengths that they do to get out the word because they are pasionate about their cause. I wish that more people were as enthusiastic about the issues that really matter. However, I do not think that anyone should try to stop violence by resorting to even more violence. Two wrongs dont make a right.

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And this is also the same excuse that one minded politicians use. Yes you can be enthusiastic about a cause, but that doesn't mean that you should use outdated info and lies to spread your word. If your cause is good enough, that there should be valid info to back you up.

There are several things about animal rights that I have thought over.

Hunting: I still find this totally stupid, pointless, and murder.

Vivisection: Cosmetic vivisection is dumb. On the other hand I still believe that it is ok for medicinal purposes. I wish that this wasn't necessary and that someday it could be eliminated altogether but technology is not altogether that great currently. My opinion on this changed a while back when I read a modern article of vivisection. The honest truth is that technoglogy cannot replicate the human body to the fullest potential yet and therefore there is no alternative to animals. Another thing is that animals have helped loads when it comes to medicinal advances. Biological they are not exactly the same, but it is pretty close.

Dairy Industry: I don't know what to think of it still.

Meat: No way no how.

Circus: Pointless to use animals for your own amusement. Its just ridiculous. Why bother. I've always thought that it was stupid. There are tons of other forms of amusement thank you very much.

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I would have to be stupid not to know that site is a PETA site. Roll Eyes You can say they've been proven false all you want but without proof of this I have no reason to believe you. Sorry.

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Too true tigercats. You never gave me proof either. I believe that PETA has been lying to people because a lot of the ino they use is outdated. Most of the footage on Meet Your Meat is old. They recyle the same information over and over again and they have a tendancy to leave out the fact that a lot of farms are being changed to better conditions. Its true that without PETA, there might not have been a lot of changes in the system. I do believe PETA has great intentions. But I will not tolerate deliberate misinformation.

I adore you Slewinca for being such a great believer in animal rights, but I truly believe that your arguements would stand so much stronger with PETA out of the picture.

I believe that PETA only goes to the lengths that they do to get out the word because they are pasionate about their cause. I wish that more people were as enthusiastic about the issues that really matter. However, I do not think that anyone should try to stop violence by resorting to even more violence. Two wrongs dont make a right.

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wrong, i heard theyve got some cows to give milk for up to 7 years

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Don't believe anything you hear (even from the well informed people on the site) and only half of what you see. That may be the case but it is not ALWAYS the case. As a matter of fact it is a rarity. Genetically cows are supposed to stop giving milk a year after they give birth (roughly). Check my numbers.

And PETA supports violence. Bush supports violence. Let's go over there and bomb stuff until we get our way. And yet he has a problem with PETA? I do not agree with violence. However haven't Bush and PETA both gotten their points across? I think so. And the askcarla site, whether it is a source of lies or not, helps people who have questions regarding animal welfare and animal rights.

Ah tiger, we meet again. (for those who don't know, we had a huge debate on the "PETA vs. Public Schools" post. And for everyones sake, please don't bring that post back from the dead, OK people?) What have you been up to? Have you bombed PETA's headquarters yet? I know you want to
Anyway, on to your points.

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how about their support of shac?

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Really? I was on SHAC's website recently (don't ask me why) and while they did list PETA as a place to get a cruelty-free shopping guide in their FAQ section, they had this to say about it:

Where can I get a list of companies that don't test on animals?
People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PeTA) offers a regularly updated, wallet sized shopping guide to companies and products that are not tested on animals. Contact them at: PeTA, 501 Front Street, Norfolk, VA, 23510, 757.622.PETA
SHAC USA is not affiliated in any way with PeTA

Now that is not PETA saying that, that is SHAC saying that. (their website btw is www.shacamerica.net if you want to see it for yourself so you know I'm not fabricating this)

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you use the cut and paste peta bs, which in truth conveys nothing near the truth

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confetti wanted to know PETA's positions on things. I told her. What's wrong with that?

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how about the many recordings of ingrid and bruce saying they support bombing arson and other forms of violence

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I don't know about Ingrid but I have heard that quote from bruce before (something about blowing up mcdonalds, right?) and it just sounds like wishful thinking to me. Don't peace activists wish that gun stores would blow up tomorrow? Does that mean they're going to do it? No, because they're peace activists. Duh

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peta has sponsored and supported elf and alf

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All I've heard of is that they gave legal support to ALF and ELF activists who were arrested or whatever. I did mention this before in this post:

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And the only thing PETA has done with the ALF is provide legal support for ALF activists who have been arrested or etc. It's perfectly legal.

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Another thing about the ALF, they wouldn't want to harm any animal, human or non-human, so they definitely aren't as dangerous as say, al-qaeda. For the most part they (the members) are activists who have gotten tired of the usual methods of activism and want to take direct action (like liberating animals). This may not be very effective since the labs are just going to order more animals but these acts have revealed cruelty in these places that would not have been made public any other way.
Oh, and would you take my little challenge?

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Tell me one act of actual terrorism that PETA was responsible for (and back it up with proof), please.

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guess PETA failed to mention that the charges were dropped the convictions were overturned and alex himself said under oath that the conditions, pictures and videos were STAGED by him.. lol you have a lot to learn...(shaking head)

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Could you please give me proof of this? And don't tell me to search the internet because I want the truth here, not rumors.

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oh and "ask carla" is another source of PROVEN lies

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I would have to be stupid not to know that site is a PETA site. You can say they've been proven false all you want but without proof of this I have no reason to believe you. Sorry.
Hey, there's been something I've wanted to ask you, have you ever read Animal Liberation by Peter Singer? It was that book that helped start the modern animal rights movement. (I bet you wish you could go back in time and burn them all, don't you ) I am reading it now. I checked the notes on where some of the information in the book came from and only one was from PETA. (and one was from the PCRM) That was on animal testing (I think). What I'm saying is that the whole book isn't based on what PETA and PCRM says. Far from it. It was written before PETA even came into existance (it has been revised twice since then). I would be surprised if you haven't read it yet.

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btw, aside from your misguided animal rights beliefs i do think you are a nice person.

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Whoa, all this time I thought you hated me. Thanks.

oh and "ask carla" is another source of PROVEN lies

btw.. like the whoop a s s comment.. lol

btw, aside from your misguided animal rights beliefs i do think you are a nice person.

slewinca.. all i have to say is you have a lot to learn about peta... take it from someone that has been dealing with them for well over a decade... you have no idea what you are talking about... you use the cut and paste peta bs, which in truth conveys nothing near the truth.. peta has sponsored and supported elf and alf.. you say they do not promote violence? lmao.. how about the many recordings of ingrid and bruce saying they support bombing arson and other forms of violence.. how about their support of shac? lol you really have no clue do you.. if you want to talk point by point i will be happy to show you how misguided your beliefs concerning peta are... it is sad that even after so much about peta has been proven false some weak minded people still buy petas bs... by the way i saw you posted a statement concerning the silver springs case... lol
i guess PETA failed to mention that the charges were dropped the convictions were overturned and alex himself said under oath that the conditions, pictures and videos were STAGED by him.. lol you have a lot to learn...(shaking head)

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Wrong. In order to keep the cows producing milk they have to impregnate them every year

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wrong, i heard theyve got some cows to give milk for up to 7 years

Politicians act like immature pretentious lunatics... But we still listen to them.

In all seriousness now, I support PETA. If all they did was jabber about animal rights, then no one would notice or be surprised. But they use shock therapy, which is perfectly fine in my book. Its spreading awareness.

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In fact so much of they're info given has been proved false and so I'm thinking of fropping the whole veganism thing. If I can find totally solid proof about why I should remain vegan, I'll remain vegan. However, my fault has been that I've been completely dependent on PETA for my info. I'll still remain vegeterain just because I find meat totally wrong, but I'm not sure on the dairy thing.

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Even though you have already decided to remain vegan here's my two cents. What is wrong with drinking dairy right? I mean it's not meat. Wrong. In order to keep the cows producing milk they have to impregnate them every year so that they will produce milk for their offspring. The offspring are then sent to veal facroties across the nation. So in effect supporting dairy is supporting veal which in my opinion is worse than supporting meat.

Well I certainly wouldnt call PETA distasteful or vulgar. Yea, they go over board at times with their protests, but sometimes that is needed to get the point through. While others don't need the extra umph to realize how awful KFC really is. Tons of people are blindly scarfing down KFC's delight chicken meal not knowing what those poor animals have to go through just to satisfy their bored empty stomachs. After all it is only$3.99 for a taste of a tortured, grim, and woeful soul.

yes, some of the things they do are a bit dumb, but they do a lot of good things as well, and their cause is awesome and they uncover a lot of horrible mistreatment of animals that we wouldn't otherwise know about. Some of their protests are a bit distastefull, i guess, but they are just trying to get a point accross, a point that needs to be made. I support PETA, and i don't care who does/doesn't, thats their dicision.

Cirque du Soleil is the best circus in the world..... you cant compare them to others

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I agee PETA is a bunch of fanatics with nothing in mind but terrorism and hate.

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Are you describing PETA or the kkk? What kind of terrorism are you talking about anyway? What the ALF (Animal Liberation Front) does is considered terrorism but they don't harm anybody, human or non-human. And the only thing PETA has done with the ALF is provide legal support for ALF activists who have been arrested or etc. It's perfectly legal.
Was PETA responsible for 9/11? No. Was PETA responsible for those planes crashing in Russia? No. Tell me one act of actual terrorism that PETA was responsible for (and back it up with proof), please.
And hate? Where is that coming from??? The only thing PETA hates is cruelty and exploitation. They are a pragmatic group, as far as I know you don't have to be vegan to join (although it's preferred ). I feel like I'm going to be saying this for the rest of my life: PETA MEMBERS ARE NOT TERRORISTS!!!
CelticNewAger, I was using Cirque Du Soleil as an example. It was the first name of a non-animal circus that came to my mind. Like berenelen said, why do you need to go to a circus in the first place? I went when I was little and mostly all I remember clearly is going in and leaving. (and getting a plush elephant)
I'm glad you're staying vegan for the earth berenelen So did you find that at least some of the info on that site was accurate?

Nice site. I've decided to remain vegan for enviromental reasons that I don't need solid evidence for though. That and I've been very healthy for the past year. I don't visit PETA anymore though. I just can't stand a lot of their campaigns. Ah well.

I don't like circuses. I don't see why people need to go them in the first place. They're awfully scary.