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The more money they get, the easier it is to live on the street. If that guy weren't on the street he wouldn't be sitting in an alley night and day waiting for young girls to walk by.

It's hard to live on the street regarless of the few dollars they get here and there. A few dollars is NOT going to change the fact that a man is living on the street. Also, a few dollars would not change the fact that he was planning on assaulting a random girl.

Atleast shelters keep some people off the streets. Maybe if that man had a shelter to go to, he wouldn't have been there.

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Allowing people to perpetually eat slop and sleep on bunks isn't helping.

It keeps some from living on the steets 24/7. It helps the drug addicted homless to live, and it helps the innocent victims of abuse to live. Sometimes, in order to help those who deserve it, you contribute to the problem's of those who don't. It's up to an individual to decide if the bad is worth the good.

If you personally don't believe in donating to shelters, fine. The fact that you admit to spitting at them is repulsive. You say self-defense? If someone wanted your money enough to try to physically harm you, it doesn't seem like spitting would stop them.

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I never said that, your lies are nearly as subsantial as your racism.

Yes, on another board where you were asking for advice from other "well to do people". Also, I apologize for throwing somewhat of a tantrum on that board yesterday. I was mad, but that's no excuse. I'm sorry.

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Colored? You can't be racist because you have "colored" friends.

Alright, colored was probably not the best word to use, but my point is that I'm not racist. I have many black, white, middle-eastern, Aisan ect...friends, and if I was racist, would probably only have white friends (because I am caucasian)

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A bigot is a racist person. You are racist and that makes you a bigot.

Again, not racist and I haven't called you any names.

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Comming from the person who claimed middle class people are not human.

I never said that, your lies are nearly as subsantial as your racism.

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That's fantastic if you really helped a man get back on his feet. However, you helped ONE man. Shelters help multiple people.

I Helped a man. He now has a job, a house and a degree. Allowing people to perpetually eat slop and sleep on bunks isn't helping. I would rather actually help one person than feel like I helped thirty.

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I have absolutely NOTHING against blacks, many of my friends are colored!

Colored? You can't be racist because you have "colored" friends.

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Please don't call me names.

A bigot is a racist person. You are racist and that makes you a bigot.

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I haven't called you anything nasty.

How about "colored"?

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Yes, because giving money to a bum makes him more likely rape teenage girls.

The more money they get, the easier it is to live on the street. If that guy weren't on the street he wouldn't be sitting in an alley night and day waiting for young girls to walk by.

crzyme:

THANK YOU!

I think I'll join you and Purple!

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I give my guy a job.

That's fantastic if you really helped a man get back on his feet. However, you helped ONE man. Shelters help multiple people. There are too many homeless men, women, and children to only help one person at a time.

There are charities you could give to that give men/women proper clothes to wear so they have a better chance of being hired. To my knowledge, McDonalds and BurgerKing do not hire homeless people right off the street. They need help to get cleaned up in order to get back on there feet, as well.

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i see FML is more responsable than others in his giving but the rest of you just make it easier for them to assault teenage girls.

Yes, because giving money to a bum makes him more likely rape teenage girls. If only that damn person hadn't given that man a couple dollars, I'm sure he wouldn't have attempted to assault you. It only makes sense! *sarcasm*

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That is why I sometimes spit in their face and screem at them.

I refuse to take you seriously. You're just as bad as Joey, striving for attention.

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How dare you compare being black with being homeless.

I think you understood perfectly well what she was getting at, but I'll try to re-explain anyway.

When something bad happens to a person (i.e. rape), and the person who did them wrong was of a specific race, they may tend to harbor harsh feelings towards ALL men of that race. However, not all of the men of that race are like the one who wronged this person.

The comparison: If a person is wronged by one homeless man/woman, they may harbor harsh feelings towards ALL of the homeless. However, not all of the homeless men/women are like the one that wronged this person.

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*grumbles off to randomosity boards to converse with intelligent veterans*

*goes with Purple*

FreeMarketLover:

Please don't call me names. It's rude and disrespectful. I haven't called you anything nasty.

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If I were homeless I would deserve to be spit on. It would mean that I failed as a human being. I wouldn't be able to live without getting the shame and humiliation that I deserved. But as FML said, I only do that when they approach me and ask for money. There is no telling what a bum who needs his "fix" will do to get money. It is a self-defense issue, not a "mean and thoughtless" issue.

No, you are not homeless. You have a limosine.

When people approach you and ask for money, then you should kindly smile, say no, and walk away. That's what I do if I am uncomfortable or if they have a sign that actually says "Money for beer." (Isn't it sad that some people actually do that?)

The thing that disturbs me the most is that you are so well off, and yet you can't even show a little sympathy. I'm glad to hear that YOU don't go up to them and spit on them, but really, do any of us need to be acting that way?

And, what if you were born into a very poor family, one who happened to be out on the streets? You didn't fail in life, something happened that had nothing to do with you.

And, now that I think about it, are you calling all those poor people in Third World countries failures? Simply because they were born in to less fortune than you, they failed at Life? Who declared you God?

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I never approach a bum. I never have and I never will. They approach me. if you read my previous post you will see that I am willing to help those that will help themselves.
Blackness has nothing to do with stealing, but homelessness does. How dare you compare being black with being homeless. As if being black was some sort of sad thing to be. You are a dirty bigot! When i walk down the street, People like you don't see a man, they see a sad thing to be. But you say I'm the judgemental one? Take a look in the mirror bigot!

Comming from the person who claimed middle class people are not human.

All I was trying to say was that you are labeling them just as some people do blacks. I have absolutely NOTHING against blacks, many of my friends are colored! I would never classify them as "bad" for being black. I'm sorry you misunderstood my explaination. I'll try to be more clear next time.

And maybe if you approached them, you would come to see that they are less un-human than you think. When I lived in Paris, there was a homeless person who always bought dog food and cat food for his two pets before ever buying anything else for himself. His blanket he puto n the dog when it was cold out side. He was in a bad situation, but he always made sure his two pets were fed and warm before himself. That is one of the most un-selfish things I have ever seen in my life. In my opinion, that makes him a pretty nice person.

Iv'e had homeless people try to pee upon my leg. spitting is a very adequate defense. It's better than hitting them.

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How would you feel if random strangers came and spat in your face simply because you were homeless? They don't know you, have never seen you, but they walk up to you and tell you how worthless you are. Is that any way for ANY of us to behave? It makes you sound so childish and naive.

If I were homeless I would deserve to be spit on. It would mean that I failed as a human being. I wouldn't be able to live without getting the shame and humiliation that I deserved. But as FML said, I only do that when they approach me and ask for money. There is no telling what a bum who needs his "fix" will do to get money. It is a self-defense issue, not a "mean and thoughtless" issue.

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And, maybe you think flipping burgers is a great way to make a living, but I don't.

Ya maybe you're right. Asking for money at intersections is less humiliating and degrading. It is a much better way to make a living. Sorry.

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It's because something happened, and unless you go up to them and actually TALK to them, then I suggest you leave them be!

I never approach a bum. I never have and I never will. They approach me. if you read my previous post you will see that I am willing to help those that will help themselves.
Blackness has nothing to do with stealing, but homelessness does. How dare you compare being black with being homeless. As if being black was some sort of sad thing to be. You are a dirty bigot! When i walk down the street, People like you don't see a man, they see a sad thing to be. But you say I'm the judgemental one? Take a look in the mirror bigot!

Bushsupporter and FreeMarketLver:

How completely thoughtless and rude!

What have those people ever done to you? Besides the one incident and one person, there are people out there who are starving and it's NOT just because "they are drunken bums". It's because something happened, and unless you go up to them and actually TALK to them, then I suggest you leave them be!

Packaderm:

I'm very sorry for what happened to you, and I sympathize, but I think it's rude and thoughtless to just label all homeless people as that. What if people went around labeling you as a weakling simply because yuo couldn't fend the rapist by yourself? I'm not saying that, but you shouldn't judge ALL people like that.

It's the same as saying "That black man stole my purse, therefore ALL blacks are bad." WHat that man did was VERY wrong, and I'm SO glad your friend was there to save you, but not everyone who is homeless is like that. Some of them are, but not all. Please try to see where THEY'RE comming from.

TO ALL THREE OF YOU:

How would you feel if random strangers came and spat in your face simply because you were homeless? They don't know you, have never seen you, but they walk up to you and tell you how worthless you are. Is that any way for ANY of us to behave? It makes you sound so childish and naive.

And, maybe you think flipping burgers is a great way to make a living, but I don't. And CLPO13 is right: you can't get a job without a home, can't get a home without money, can't get money without a job. It's a vicious cycle and when you live by your standards and attitudes, it only makes matters worse.

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Scream.

Packaderm, I am sooo sorry for you. I know how it feels to be accosted by a bum. That is why I sometimes spit in their face and screem at them. The police of course arrest them for it. I would feelsorry for them if they worked. But sitting in an ally defecating on the sidewalk will not get my sypmathy, only my saliva.

what must i do to make you listen: NOT ALL "BUMS" ARE DRUNKEN CREEPS!!! i'm sorry you had a bad experience, but that could just as easily have been some rich guy trying to hurt you. the fact that the guy was homeless has very little to do with it. you damn newbies need to think before you post! *grumbles off to randomosity boards to converse with intelligent veterans*

I waa assaulted by a bum last year. My friend who was a guy saved me from being hurt by punching the guy. the bum tried to pull me into an alley and he grabbed me inappropriatly. I don't like to think about what would have happened if my friend hadn't saved me. You guys would give them money to fascilitate the raping of young girls in alleys. i see FML is more responsable than others in his giving but the rest of you just make it easier for them to assault teenage girls. You should be ashamed of yourselves!

It not ideal, but it's a hell of a lot better than giving cash to bums.

not all "bums" spend their money on booze and sit in the streets begging all day. lots of homeless shelters have job training, and places like Good Will (which is where all of my old clothes and just about everything else i don't need goes) teach people how to repair and restore old items (job training in building, tailoring, electronics repair, etc.), then sell the items and use the money to help the people get apartments. many places offer similar programs, like a bakery in boston where all the employees are homeless and they get on the job training as bakers (as well as training in business and financing) and all the profits go to helping them get housing. these are the kind of places i support.

i also like to support things like battered womens shelters and homeless vets shelters. i mostly give donations of items, like old clothing or toys for kids at shelters to play with.

But I didn't help a dirty bum. I helped a person with a job trying to survive with a strong work ethic. He was a bum, when he was a stinky drunken bum I wouldn't give him money.

Stinky bums= no money
Hard worker= help him out

All right then. What you did is good, and if everyone could do that, then the world would be a better place. But not everyone can afford to do what you did. So giving them a decent meal and some money is second-best.

Shelters let bums use mailing addresses for jobs. There was a guy that bummed ouside my apartment building for a few months, I showed him where he could get a job as a parking lot attendant. He applied independant of me and was hired. i saw that he was working on his first day and saw that he was willing to help himself and decided to help him. I helped him find a roommate and an apartment for cheap in one of the buildings my friend's brother owns. This man usually asked for money and when he approached me saying this while smelling of boos I told him to get away from me. One day he approached me like any other but this time he didn't smell like boos and he didn't ask for money, he asked for help. That's when I took him to the hiring office for the parking garage. after his first week they said they wanted to hire him permanantly but his training would be expensive. He had an apartment so he couldn't afford to have his pay docked for training costs. I paid for his continued training and uniform out of my own pocket(450$), not much for me but it helped this man who got a job and was willing to help himself. i am more than w