why are all the issues on youthnoise about humans only? does anyone agree with me that we should make a section for animal cruelty, animal maltreatment, and animal care?

It was mostly humor. That sort of thing breeds mad cow disease, therefore I don't much like it. And yes, I suppose cows eat more than grass, but grains meant for humans require more care than grains meant for cattle. Cows don't really care what they eat or how clean it is or any of that. Humans, on the other hand, are a lot choosier, which means that grain production oriented towards human consumption is going to cost quite the pretty penny compared to cattle feed.

I was wondering when slew would get to this thread

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It's even cheaper to feed factory farm cows. You just chop them up and feed them to the others. Talk about cost-effective.

I'm not sure if that was an attempt at tongue-in-cheek humor or if you were being serious...you do know that's illegal now, right?
Anyway, feedlot cattle do eat grains (mainly corn and soy), to fatten them up for slaughter. Grass may be easy and cheap to grow, but it doesn't prepare cattle for slaughter as fast as feeding them grains and miscellaneous crap does. That's why they have cattle in feedlots, see?

How the hell did I miss an insult to my girlfriend? I won't stand for that! Do you know my girlfriend, caroline? Do you know how she ate during her brief stint as a vegetarian? Of course you don't. So how could you possibly know if she didn't eat "healthy" (well, as healthy as you can be without at least some meat) as a vegetarian? Answer: you don't, so don't act like you do. She did indeed eat "healthy," and she still got sick.

Also, humans don't eat what cows eat. Ever tried grass? It's not exactly what you'd call nutritious. Grass is easy and cheap to grow. Corn, wheat, rice, etc. is not so easy. And that's just free-range cows. It's even cheaper to feed factory farm cows. You just chop them up and feed them to the others. Talk about cost-effective.

And as a final note, I was standing up for what I believe as well. I just happen to believe that people should have a choice in what they eat and the right to not get bothered about it. As I've said many times, I don't mind vegetarians. But if they start calling me "animal killer" while I'm eating a hamburger, someone's going to end up wishing they had a steak to put on that black eye. Get my drift? I reserve my farm-given right to eat dead things. Get over it.

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first off your grlfriend must have been an idiot and didnt eat heathly when she went veg. second it its cheep growing crops. what do you think the cattle eat? the crops! and you need to get your facts straight.

Down caroline, down just because someone can't/doesn't want to eat veg doesn't make them an idiot in fact I could say the same thing about you for being a veggie, we'd both be wrong but that doesn't stop us saying it. Cattle eat grass and scrub which are A. not a crop and can B. grow any where with out much work. Crops on the other hand require large amounts of of labour and care and thanks to things like irrigation and fertilizer cost a heck of a lot more than a few cows would

There was a woman once whose doctor told her that she needed to eat meat during her pregnancy because she wasn't getting enough of something...she refused and they got into the legal issue of it and she was required to eat meat for her unborn kid...

Just a thought...

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Some people seriously do need to eat meat for health reasons.

i know a girl who had a deficiency of... something... and had to take supplements and eat meat, even though i had taken her for vegetarian... it does happen

Some people seriously do need to eat meat for health reasons.

Anyway, it isn't really a question of rights. Rights don't exist - we invented them and they can change depending on the state of society. You can boil it down to sheer ethics and just say that it is inhumane the way animals are raised for meat, but the environmental implications are way larger than the animal cruelty ones.

I'm going to leave it at that before I start yelling at vegetarians for being veg for the wrong reasons. Animal rights people get on my nerves, even though I technically work in animal care. Actually, radical vegetarians, radical animal rights people, radical environmentalists....they're all misinformed.

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Originally posted by clpo13:
My girlfriend once tried to be a vegetarian but it made her sick. Now she eats meat and she's fine.

Did you also know that some people rely on eating animals? You can't grow food everywhere, the soil simply won't support it. It's also cheaper to raise cattle than it is to grow crops, and animals also have no growing season, meaning they can be raised year-round.

Chimpanzees and gorillas also eat meat. In fact, chimps will sometimes kill monkeys to eat. I've seen videos of it. They aren't vegetarians.

Before you try to convince people to stop eating burgers, get your facts right. Or better yet, don't try to convince people at all. If they want to stop, they'll do it of their own accord, not because some poor cow in Ohio didn't die immediately when it got its throat slit.

Animals are not people. They don't have the order of intelligence we do, therefore they don't deserve any rights above what nature has given them.

first off your grlfriend must have been an idiot and didnt eat heathly when she went veg. second it its cheep growing crops. what do you think the cattle eat? the crops! and you need to get your facts straight.

and all she was doing was saying her part. standing up for what she belives in that is what this website is about!.

and just because they are not as smart as us and they caint talk dosent give us the right to torture them just for their meat when their is soo many other ways to get out vitamins and protiens.

Police officers treat their canine (K9) units as they would a fellow officer, generally. If the suspect begins firing at the dog, the police officers will shoot.

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But, arguably, the same is true of people in coma's or with severe mental diabilities or in DVS.

Their rights are granted by human society. Since animals are obviously not part of human society, it's a whole different matter.

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Animals are not people. They don't have the order of intelligence we do, therefore they don't deserve any rights above what nature has given them.

But, arguably, the same is true of people in coma's or with severe mental diabilities or in DVS. Rights are not defined by intelligence, but by the existence of that being, what part it plays, and what society deems approriate to give its members.

i agree with you to a certain extent Unseen....i see clpo's point about nature.....but the way humans go about it is cruel...small cages and disgusting conditons...its cruel...eating an animal is one thing, torture is another.

Amen brother.

I don't try to convince people to eat meat. Whatever people choose to eat is fine by me. I simply want them to have that choice.

If I am wrong about the primates not eating meat, I apologize, but I was always told they didn't. And how is me expressing my view about how being vegetarian is a good thing for me any worse than you expressing your view that eating meat is a good thing for you? I could tell you to stop trying to convince people to eat meat. I happened to think that anything that feels deserves consideration and I don't think intelligence level has any part in it.

My girlfriend once tried to be a vegetarian but it made her sick. Now she eats meat and she's fine.

Did you also know that some people rely on eating animals? You can't grow food everywhere, the soil simply won't support it. It's also cheaper to raise cattle than it is to grow crops, and animals also have no growing season, meaning they can be raised year-round.

Chimpanzees and gorillas also eat meat. In fact, chimps will sometimes kill monkeys to eat. I've seen videos of it. They aren't vegetarians.

Before you try to convince people to stop eating burgers, get your facts right. Or better yet, don't try to convince people at all. If they want to stop, they'll do it of their own accord, not because some poor cow in Ohio didn't die immediately when it got its throat slit.

Animals are not people. They don't have the order of intelligence we do, therefore they don't deserve any rights above what nature has given them.

We already know that if we gave all that grain we give to that animals were are breeding for slaughter we could feed the world and still have food left over! Don't you find it strange that doing it the way we have been, producing more and more meat, there are still so many people starving? I am a vegetarain, and since I have done that I feel better, I am slimmer, my skin is clearer, I have more energy, its great. And no guilt about all those poor animals that died just because I didn't want eat vegetables. The animals we are closest related to, don't eat meat. Plus its not just the fact the animals die that bothers me, its how they are treated, its like concentration camps for animals. Because they are less intelligent is no arguement. Would you torture and kill the mentally disabled? A life is a life, no matter what! So yes of course there should be a section for animal rights. There are alot of posts, but no specific section for it.

i dont like any animals besides small dogs NOT chiuauas but i dont think people should be cruel to them. But its natural to kill calf,chicken,pig and other animals we eat but not your pets like horses. i dunno