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Picture of CelticNewAger
Registered: December 11, 2003
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Well, they are against using animals in circuses, they tell people to go to non-animal circuses like Cirque Du Soleil (I hope I spelled that right). Here's their website on circuses: www.circuses.com


please dont misuse Cirque du Soleil as a PETA thing. maybe you and I can do it, but a lot of people can't afford paying at $95-$260 dollars for Cirque du Soleil


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I agee PETA is a bunch of fanatics with nothing in mind but terrorism and hate.
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Slewinca - You seem to be very well informed about all thing PETA. What are PETA's views on using animals for sports/fun (ex. Spanish bullfighting, circus animals, etc)?

Well, they are against using animals in circuses, they tell people to go to non-animal circuses like Cirque Du Soleil (I hope I spelled that right). Here's their website on circuses: www.circuses.com
They, like most other pro-animal organizations are against Spanish bullfighting, which I consider to be sickeningly cruel. Here's their factsheet on it: http://www.peta.org/mc/factsheet_display.asp?ID=64
They are also against rodeos: www.bucktherodeo.com http://www.peta.org/mc/factsheet_display.asp?ID=69
They don't like marine mammal parks (i.e. sea world) because they way dolphins and whales and the other marine mammals are kept is very unnatural for them (i. e. a dolphin or whale would swim miles and miles in the wild in captivity they can only swim in circles). http://www.peta.org/mc/factsheet_display.asp?ID=63 www.dolphinfreedom.com
And they don't like zoos (a point which makes tigercats12's blood boil). www.wildlifepimps.com (I would post PETA's factsheet on it but tigercats12 might come over and open up a can of whoop-a** on me Wink )
They are not, however, against horseback riding as long as it's done humanely (and preferably without a leather saddle). Here's their position on it:

How does PETA feel about horseback riding?

When there is a respectful, loving bond between horse and human, then horseback riding is as much an act of companionship and exercise as walking one’s dog. However, just as we oppose the use of "choke" collars on dogs, we also oppose the use of whips, spurs, and other devices that cause discomfort and pain to horses.

PETA supports humane, interactive training. Just as a dog can be lovingly or abusively house-trained, gentle methods can be employed to teach a horse to allow a rider on his or her back. PETA does not support training methods based on negative reinforcement.

If you want to know more about PETA's positions on things, go to www.askcarla.com and go here to see their other websites: http://www.peta.org/other.asp

I hope that helps you understand PETA a little more.


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Slewinca - You seem to be very well informed about all thing PETA. What are PETA's views on using animals for sports/fun (ex. Spanish bullfighting, circus animals, etc)?
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berenelen, have you ever heard of the organization Vegan Outreach? No, it isn't like AA. Wink It's an organization that promotes a vegan diet but is dedicated to providing the most accurate information possible. www.veganoutreach.org
They use a lot of info from the USDA and other unbiased sources. And they're realistic about veganism, that it isn't about avoiding a list of ingredients but it's about reducing animal suffering. They acknowledge that animal products are impossible to avoid completely. I think you should check them out.


"Who can protest an injustice but does not is an accomplice to the act." The Talmud <br> Stop KFC's Kentucky Fried Cruelty www.kfccruelty.com http://www.myspace.com/slewinca
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Stickering is minor, but is none the less illegal. People have gone to court for that. Sure it may not be serious, but the mental strain is serious. There are millions and millions of other ways to effectively promote animal rights.

In fact so much of they're info given has been proved false and so I'm thinking of fropping the whole veganism thing. If I can find totally solid proof about why I should remain vegan, I'll remain vegan. However, my fault has been that I've been completely dependent on PETA for my info. I'll still remain vegeterain just because I find meat totally wrong, but I'm not sure on the dairy thing.


"I let my brother go to the devil in his own way" -Robert Louis Stevenson
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so what if people don't like cats? my dad doesn't like them because he thinks they'll suck out his breath (dont ask me why). that doesn't mean he's evil.


It actually DOES say adam and steve. Thats what you get for reading the translation!
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they encourage illegal ways of advertising to their members.

How so? The only thing I can think of is the stop sign stickers and stickering stuff in stores, and that's pretty minor.
Although I don't like Clay Aiken either I think he ran over his cat by accident but he did tell Rolling Stone that he thinks cats are evil. PETA was supposed to run an ad with triumph the insult dog about this but I don't know what happened with that. I did a search on PETA's website for this and the only relevant thing I could find was these pdf file (I didn't look at it though, I have a dial-up connection and I only open those files if it's absolutely necessary) : www.peta.org/feat/at-winter03/pdf/AT_US_Holiday_2003p14-15.pdf
To find out more about PETA's relationship with Vogue click here: www.voguesucks.com Again, this is old news ( very old news). And here's a link from PETA about the Beyonce thing: http://www.peta.org/feat/beyonce/ This is slightly old news, seeing as this happened several months ago.
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recent publicity in the news regarding their employment of arsonists to set fire to cancer research labs and vandalize people's clothing with paint have raised many eyebrows.

OK, where on the news was this and when? A commercial on fox news? From the center for consumer freedom? Because I would expect this from them. www.consumerdeception.com
And like I said the paint-throwing thing is anything but recent. (and it was the activists' idea)
And I fail to see how this is a "Call To Action". What do you want people to do? Torch PETA's headquarters? Roll Eyes

Here are a few more answers to some FAQ's from PETA's site(s) :

“Don’t animal rights activists commit ‘terrorist’ acts?”

The animal rights movement is nonviolent. One of the central beliefs shared by most animal rights activists is the belief that we should not harm any animal—human or otherwise. However, all large movements have factions that believe in the use of force.

“How can you justify the millions of dollars of property damage caused by the Animal Liberation Front (ALF)?”

Throughout history, some people have felt the need to break the law to fight injustice. The Underground Railroad and the French Resistance are examples of movements in which people broke the law in order to answer to a higher morality. The ALF, which is simply the name adopted by people who act illegally in behalf of animal rights, breaks inanimate objects such as stereotaxic devices and decapitators in order to save lives. ALF members burn empty buildings in which animals are tortured and killed. ALF “raids” have given us proof of horrific cruelty that would not have otherwise been discovered or believed and have resulted in criminal charges’ being filed against laboratories for violations of the Animal Welfare Act. Often, ALF raids have been followed by widespread scientific condemnation of the practices occurring in the targeted labs, and some abusive laboratories have been permanently shut down as a result.

Why does PETA sometimes use nudity in its campaigns?

Our mission is to get the animal rights message to as many people as possible. Unfortunately, this is not always an easy task. Unlike our opposition, which is mostly composed of wealthy industries and corporations, PETA must rely on getting free "advertising" through media coverage. This can be especially difficult with our fur campaign, since newspapers are often reluctant to cover our activities for fear of losing furriers' advertising dollars. But, not surprisingly, colorful and "controversial" demonstrations and campaigns like activists stripping to "go naked instead of wearing fur" consistently grab headlines.

The "Naked" Campaign began several years ago when demonstrators—both male and female—marched behind a huge banner proclaiming that they would "rather go naked than wear fur." More "naked" demonstrations were held all over the world, the idea caught on, and we started receiving offers from celebrities, including Christy Turlington, Marcus Schenkenberg, Kim Basinger, Cindy Crawford, designer Todd Oldham, and Pamela Anderson to participate. Interestingly, we began receiving complaints about this campaign only after professional models and actors joined it, which we conclude to mean, among other things, that celebrity participation helps us reach more people.

The campaign has been hugely successful. It has been featured in nearly every major newspaper, including The Wall Street Journal, The Los Angeles Times, USA Today, and The Washington Post. And major magazines and television shows such as Us, People, and Entertainment Tonight have been inspired by the campaign to do stories about the anti-fur movement.

History does not look back unkindly on Lady Godiva. It is our hope that people will come to see that our modern-day "Godivas" have motives that are just as honorable.

P. S. I liked the avatar you had yesterday, confettikiss06. Smile
And good for you for being vegan berenelin Big Grin


"Who can protest an injustice but does not is an accomplice to the act." The Talmud <br> Stop KFC's Kentucky Fried Cruelty www.kfccruelty.com http://www.myspace.com/slewinca
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Registered: July 15, 2004
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I am against PETA for several reasons, they tell a lot of false things about the animal industry including over emphasizing things, and they encourage illegal ways of advertising to their members.

However Clay Aiken runs over cats for fun so ermm.. I'm still against Clay Aiken BUT that's not the point.

This is coming from a vegan by the way.


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gayQA ( I hope you don't mind me calling you that Wink ) is exactly right, the only reason PETA does controversial things is to bring attention to animal cruelty and animal rights. Here's what PETA has to say about it:

Why does PETA use controversial tactics?

PETA’s mission is to get the animal rights message out to as many people as possible. Unlike our opposition—which is mostly composed of wealthy industries and corporations—PETA must rely largely on free "advertising" through media coverage. We will do extraordinary things to get the word out about animal cruelty because we have learned from experience that the media, sadly, do not consider the terrible facts about animal suffering alone interesting enough to cover. It is sometimes necessary to shake people up in order to initiate discussion, debate, questioning of the status quo, and, of course, action.

Thus, we try to make our actions colorful and controversial, thereby grabbing headlines around the world and spreading the message of kindness to animals to thousands—sometimes millions—of people. This approach has proved amazingly successful: In the two decades since PETA was founded, it has grown into the largest animal rights group in the country, with more than 750,000 members and supporters worldwide. We have also had major groundbreaking successes, such as bringing about the first-ever cruelty conviction against an animal experimenter in the case of the now-famous Silver Spring Monkeys; orchestrating the first-ever raid on an agricultural facility (a factory farm in upstate New York that raised ducks for foie gras under horribly cruel conditions); and convincing more than 200 cosmetics companies to permanently abandon animal tests. Recently, PETA convinced the "big three" fast-food chains, McDonald’s, Burger King, and Wendy’s, to agree to make significant improvements in their treatment of animals.

Besides, the "your mommy kills animals" thing is old news, they were made last year. And you're making a hasty generalization of PETA members and supporters. Not all of the people who support PETA approve of the "your mommy kills animals" comics (I know I don't, but I'm not a member of PETA as of yet).
And PETA never made their members throw paint on fur-wearers, it was the members' idea. And if PETA supported terrorist acts the FBI would be all over them, it would be all over the news.
Here's what PETA has to say about these accusations:

Does PETA advocate the use of violence?

PETA maintains a creed of nonviolence and does not advocate actions in which anyone, human or nonhuman, is injured. We are a legal activist organization that works to educate the public about the horrors of animal cruelty through peaceful, nonviolent means. No one has ever been killed through animal rights activity in the United States. To the contrary, when you take a body count, you'll find that it's the animal protectionists who have been harmed: Dian Fossey, Chico Mendez, George Adamson, and park rangers all over the world have been shot or beaten to death because of their work for animals.

I'm short on time so I'll discuss this later if I can.


"Who can protest an injustice but does not is an accomplice to the act." The Talmud <br> Stop KFC's Kentucky Fried Cruelty www.kfccruelty.com http://www.myspace.com/slewinca
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Registered: August 15, 2004
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While I agree with you that in most cases PETA does go overboard you have to think about it. If you see a commercial with someone standing there in a funny tie just talking about how animal cruelty is wrong would you really pay attention to it? I am not agreeing with their tactics at all but they do grab your attention. I mean you remembered it. There's my two cents.


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i agree with you. ifne you want to protect animals, but PETA takes it too far


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